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From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@world.std.com>
Subject: Re: Compile time executed functions
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:06:05 GMT
Date: 2001-03-30T00:06:05+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wcck85886j6.fsf@world.std.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3AC2E665.F45C18A@home.com

Mark Biggar <mark.a.biggar@home.com> writes:

> It's been done many times.  For example go read "Godel, Esher and
> Bach" by Hofsteder, the section on the *LOOP languages.  Obviously you
> must outlaw abritrary "goto" statements, recursive procedures and
> while loops, but if (case) statements and Ada like "for" loops are fine.
> The trick it that you can only have looping construsts that allow
> the computation of a strict bound on the number of iterations, 
> before the loop is entered.

But if you give me a language like that, and what I really want is a
while loop, I'll end up writing something like:

    for I in 1..10**100 loop -- or maybe just 2**31-1 ;-)
        exit when ...;
        ...
    end loop;

It's easy to prove that the above loop is not infinite, but if I make a
mistake in the exit condition, I'll end up with a very long loop, which
is just as bad in practise.

So I think it's better just to allow while loops, and live with the fact
that they might be infinite.  Unless you have a fancy proof engine that
can prove termination of while loops most of the time.

- Bob



  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-03-30  0:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-27  7:10 Compile time executed functions Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-27 13:30 ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-28  7:08   ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-28 19:07     ` Phaedrus
2001-03-29  7:41       ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-29  5:02     ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-29  7:58       ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-29 14:28         ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-29 14:48           ` Ted Dennison
2001-04-04  7:52             ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-04-04 14:05               ` Ted Dennison
2001-04-05  6:30                 ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-29 19:48           ` Simon Wright
2001-03-31 19:30             ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-04  7:53             ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-30 10:41           ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-03-30 16:13             ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-30 16:47               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-03-30 18:54                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-04-01  8:42                   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-03-31 19:30                 ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-01  8:59                   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-04-01 18:22                     ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-02  9:30                       ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-04-02 12:42                         ` Robert A Duff
2001-04-02 14:16                           ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-04-03  0:33                           ` Pat Rogers
2001-04-02 13:09                         ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-02 13:40                           ` Robert A Duff
2001-04-02 23:29                             ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-13 23:11                               ` Robert A Duff
2001-04-02 14:32                           ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-04-04  7:59             ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-04-04  7:47           ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-04-06  0:33             ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-09 12:21               ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-04-13 15:51                 ` Tucker Taft
2001-03-27 14:39 ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-27 16:40   ` Mark Biggar
2001-03-27 18:14   ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-27 18:15   ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-27 18:57     ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-27 19:22       ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-27 20:23         ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-27 22:15           ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-27 23:30             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-03-28  9:54               ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-28 15:20             ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-28 16:12               ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-03-28 21:15               ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-28 21:56                 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-29  8:18                 ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-29  8:11               ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-29 14:37                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-29 16:35                   ` Mark Biggar
2001-03-29 19:27                     ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-29 19:28                     ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-30  3:41                       ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-30  4:32                         ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-30 14:27                           ` Compile time executed functions [OT] Karel Thönissen
2001-03-30 17:30                             ` Scheveningen (Re: Compile time executed functions [OT]) Ray Blaak
2001-03-30 17:39                             ` More {OT] (Was " Brian Rogoff
2001-03-30 23:39                               ` Karel Thönissen
2001-03-30 17:47                         ` Compile time executed functions Brian Hanson
2001-03-30  0:06                     ` Robert A Duff [this message]
2001-03-30 15:02                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-30 20:57                         ` Robert A Duff
2001-04-02 14:26                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-30 17:33                       ` Ray Blaak
2001-03-29  8:25               ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-28  7:17   ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-29  1:35   ` Jon S Anthony
2001-03-27 14:39 ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-27 15:09   ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-27 16:33     ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-27 23:36     ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-28 20:47     ` Mark Lundquist
2001-03-28  7:29   ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-28 22:15     ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-29  8:43       ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-31  4:12         ` Robert A Duff
2001-04-05  7:06           ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-04-13 23:18             ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-29  5:02     ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-28  7:31 ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-30  8:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
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