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From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com>
Subject: Re: Structured exception information (task, ANEX E)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:01:01 -0500
Date: 2007-01-19T11:01:01-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wcck5zjm2f6.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 45acd36e$1@news.post.ch

Martin Krischik <krischik@users.sourceforge.net> writes:

> Maciej Sobczak schrieb:
>
>> Yes, I'm asking for "throwing objects", in the C++ parlance.
>> How to do this in Ada?
>> If I cannot - how to solve this design problem?
>
> I believe this was skipped in Ada because of ANEX E and task types.

I don't see any problems there.

>...You
> must understand that Ada exceptions quite often propagated across thread
> borders and sometimes - if ANEX E is implemented - over a network
> connections to another computer.
>
> I do not say this is impossible but it could be quite expensive
> performance wise.

Efficiency is irrelevant to language design.  You should never leave a
feature out merely because it's slow.  What matters is distributed
overhead, and I see none here.  Yes, if an exception propagates across a
network, you have to ship all the data across the network.  The
programmer controls how much data that is, so it's not a problem.
Besides, shipping a String is no more efficient than shipping properly
typed data.

Many other languages have solved this problem (even in the presence of
threads and distributed systems).  The obvious solution is that what Ada
calls "exception" should be a type (derived from Root_Exception), and
what Ada calls "exception occurrence" should be an object of that type.
This language design is much simpler than Ada's, because we don't need
a bunch of separate concepts, with their own special rules -- just reuse
the concepts of type and object.

The 200-character limit was a mistake, by the way.  It was based on
fictitious implementation difficulties.  Ada already has functions
that return results whose size is not known at the call site (e.g.
"return String").  The same memory-management techniques would apply to
arbitrary-sized exception occurrences.

- Bob



  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-01-19 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 181+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-15 13:44 Structured exception information Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-15 17:17 ` claude.simon
2007-01-16  9:04   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-16 22:39     ` Randy Brukardt
2007-01-15 17:28 ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-15 18:29   ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-15 19:44     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-15 20:06       ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-15 21:56         ` Randy Brukardt
2007-01-15 22:32           ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-16 18:36             ` Ray Blaak
2007-01-16 19:18               ` C# versus Ada (was: Structured exception information) Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-16 23:29                 ` C# versus Ada Markus E Leypold
2007-01-18 10:22                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-17 18:14                 ` C# versus Ada (was: Structured exception information) Ray Blaak
2007-01-16 23:27               ` Structured exception information Markus E Leypold
2007-01-17  7:28               ` Martin Krischik
2007-01-16 22:36             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-01-17 16:12               ` Bob Spooner
2007-01-17 23:42                 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-01-16  9:11           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-16 10:45             ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-16 13:26               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-16 14:44                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-16 15:15                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-16 17:50             ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-16 18:31               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-16 22:52                 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-01-17  8:58                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-17 18:38                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-17 23:18                       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-01-17 23:46                         ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-18  6:34                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-19  7:34                           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-01-19 13:52                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-19 18:57                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-19 19:57                                 ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-20 20:59                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-18  9:55                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-18 18:28                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-17 23:36                     ` Randy Brukardt
2007-01-18 10:16                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-15 22:19     ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-16 13:12       ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-15 22:42 ` Adam Beneschan
2007-01-15 23:22   ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-16  6:03     ` tmoran
2007-01-16 13:30 ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-16 14:33   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-16 14:45     ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-16 17:54     ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-16 22:55       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-01-17 12:10     ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-17 14:05       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-19  9:47         ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-19 11:03           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-20 15:04             ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-21 10:40               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-23  7:28                 ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-23 14:21                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-25  2:39                     ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-19 13:36           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-20 15:33             ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-20 16:33               ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-21 22:42                 ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-21 23:45                   ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-22  9:14                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-23  7:33                     ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-23 15:07                       ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-23 15:54                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-23 17:10                           ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-23 23:59                       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-01-22  9:28               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-23  9:46                 ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-23 14:18                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-25  2:32                     ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-25  8:53                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-01-26  9:35                         ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-26 11:16                           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-01-26 13:46                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-27 18:17                             ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-28 12:38                               ` Simon Wright
2007-01-28 12:39                               ` Simon Wright
2007-01-28 13:18                               ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-28 15:44                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-28 21:48                                 ` Ray Blaak
2007-01-28 18:50                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-30  2:15                                 ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-31 18:58                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-01 12:20                                     ` Stephen Leake
2007-02-01 14:17                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-25 21:52                       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-01-24  0:10                   ` Randy Brukardt
2007-01-24 14:17                     ` Wasteful internationalization (Was: Structured exception information) Alex R. Mosteo
2007-01-24 14:49                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-24 23:48                         ` Wasteful internationalization Björn Persson
2007-01-25  9:45                           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-01-24 21:03                       ` Wasteful internationalization (Was: Structured exception information) Randy Brukardt
2007-01-25 11:17                         ` Alex R. Mosteo
2007-01-25 21:37                           ` Wasteful internationalization Björn Persson
2007-01-25 21:57                           ` Wasteful internationalization (Was: Structured exception information) Randy Brukardt
2007-01-26  9:13                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-26 12:12                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-27  4:09                               ` Randy Brukardt
2007-01-27 17:15                             ` Wasteful internationalization Stephen Leake
2007-01-27 20:44                               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-01-28  0:09                                 ` Björn Persson
2007-01-28  1:08                                   ` Björn Persson
2007-01-28 15:21                                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-01-29  1:23                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-01-29 19:02                                         ` Björn Persson
2007-01-29 20:19                                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-02-01  6:23                                             ` Simon Wright
2007-02-03  0:48                                             ` Björn Persson
2007-02-03  1:04                                               ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-03 11:52                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-02-03  2:36                                               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-03  2:37                                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-03 19:59                                                 ` Björn Persson
2007-02-03 20:16                                                   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-05 19:26                                                     ` Björn Persson
2007-02-04  4:51                                                   ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2007-02-05 19:27                                                     ` Björn Persson
2007-02-06  1:32                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2007-02-06  1:54                                                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-07  1:55                                                       ` Björn Persson
2007-02-07  2:20                                                         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-12  1:33                                                           ` Björn Persson
2007-02-12  8:16                                                             ` Franz Kruse
2007-02-12  9:20                                                             ` Not at all wasteful internationalization Martin Krischik
2007-02-12 11:08                                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-12 13:02                                                                 ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-07 20:39                                                         ` Wasteful internationalization Randy Brukardt
2007-02-08 13:33                                                           ` Stephen Leake
2007-02-12  2:42                                                           ` Björn Persson
2007-02-06 11:01                                                     ` Peter Hermann
2007-02-06 19:02                                                     ` OT: Flash (was: Re: Wasteful internationalization) Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-02-06 19:40                                                       ` OT: Flash Markus E Leypold
2007-02-03 11:51                                               ` Wasteful internationalization Larry Kilgallen
2007-01-29 18:54                                       ` Björn Persson
2007-01-29 19:03                                         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-01-30 17:46                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-30 19:37                                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-01-30 20:43                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-30 20:50                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-01-30 21:54                                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-01-31 11:26                                               ` Alex R. Mosteo
2007-01-31 15:17                                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-03  0:49                                                 ` Björn Persson
2007-02-03 16:05                                                   ` Alex R. Mosteo
2007-02-03  0:48                                               ` Björn Persson
2007-02-01 12:08                                             ` Stephen Leake
2007-02-03  0:49                                               ` Björn Persson
2007-02-03  9:46                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-03 18:48                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2007-02-03 20:27                                                   ` Björn Persson
2007-01-30  2:20                                       ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-30 10:01                         ` Wasteful internationalization (Was: Structured exception information) Harald Korneliussen
2007-01-19 15:45           ` Structured exception information Robert A Duff
2007-01-20 16:08             ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-20 21:59               ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-19 18:14           ` Ray Blaak
2007-01-19 20:07           ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-20 16:16             ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-20 21:20               ` Ray Blaak
2007-01-21 22:34                 ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-20 22:07               ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-21 10:45                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-21 23:51                   ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-22 14:39                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-22 19:02                       ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-23 14:23                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-01-29  1:30   ` Brian May
2007-01-16 13:30 ` Structured exception information (task, ANEX E) Martin Krischik
2007-01-16 23:07   ` Randy Brukardt
2007-01-19 16:01   ` Robert A Duff [this message]
2007-01-22  7:17     ` Martin Krischik
2007-01-22 19:40       ` Robert A Duff
2007-01-16 15:48 ` Structured exception information Alex R. Mosteo
2007-01-16 18:07   ` Jeffrey Carter
2007-01-17  6:38     ` Duncan Sands
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