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From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com>
Subject: Re: Object Pascal vs Ada -- which is better for a hobbyist?
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 17:39:52 -0400
Date: 2013-07-05T17:39:52-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wcchag8u1nb.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: b478db8c-2eda-43fc-a3b3-aeca2a634bf2@googlegroups.com

Dufr <dufriz@gmail.com> writes:

> Which is better for an amateur programmer, Object Pascal or Ada?

Ada, for all sorts of reasons.  Better module system, better type
system, better syntax, full-coverage rules for case statements and
aggregates, etc.  Also, non-technical reasons:  better availability of
compilers, more active user community, uniformity across platforms.

All that goes for hobbyists and professionals.

> My worry about Ada is that it will entail too much overhead in terms
> of learning, because of the strict rules, whereas programming in
> Object Pascal is said to be easier. Or, at least, this is what I have
> heard.  Is my understanding correct?

Strict rules do not make a programming language hard to learn.  Just the
opposite, in fact.  If you don't know the rules, the compiler tells you,
and you learn as you go along.  That can be frustrating, but for me it's
a lot less frustrating than debugging!

It is true that learning all of Ada is much harder than learning all of
Object Pascal.  But that's OK -- you don't have to learn all of Ada to
do useful stuff, and you certainly don't have to learn it all at once.
Ignore tasking unless you want to do concurrency, and even then ignore
rendezvous.  Learn how to raise exceptions, but not how to handle them.
Ignore all of the Annexes, except for parts of Annex A.  Ignore chapter 13.

And as others have said, learn it from a textbook or on-line tutorial.
Don't approach the Ada Reference Manual until you know Ada.
(One exception: for the predefined libraries, Annex A of the Ada RM
is fairly readable.)

- Bob


  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-05 21:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-04  6:59 Object Pascal vs Ada -- which is better for a hobbyist? Dufr
2013-07-04  9:12 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2013-07-04 11:47 ` gautier_niouzes
2013-07-04 15:50   ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 14:34   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-27 23:18     ` Oliver Kleinke
2013-07-04 11:48 ` john
2013-07-04 14:00   ` AdaMagica
2013-07-04 14:22     ` john
2013-07-04 14:31       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-07-04 18:18         ` Niklas Holsti
2013-07-04 19:04           ` J-P. Rosen
2013-07-04 20:24             ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-07-04 20:36               ` Shark8
2013-07-05 21:20               ` Robert A Duff
2013-07-05 23:39                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-08-27 14:47           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-27 23:24             ` Oliver Kleinke
2013-07-04 18:49         ` john
2013-07-04 15:49 ` Bill Findlay
2013-07-04 16:00 ` Lucretia
2013-07-04 17:59 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-07-05 21:39 ` Robert A Duff [this message]
2013-07-06  7:04 ` Dufr
2013-07-06 15:53   ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-07-06 17:41   ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-07-06 18:59     ` Shark8
2013-07-06 18:36   ` Ludovic Brenta
2013-07-06 22:19   ` Maurizio Tomasi
2013-07-07  8:43     ` Mike H
2013-07-08 13:53   ` Marc C
2013-08-27 14:50   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-27 16:50     ` Simon Clubley
2013-08-27 17:02       ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 20:27       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-28 12:05         ` Simon Clubley
2013-08-27 21:08       ` Gour
2013-08-27 22:57         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-28  8:54           ` Gour
2013-08-28  9:35             ` Web-UI for Ada applications (Was: Object Pascal vs Ada -- which is better for a hobbyist?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-08-28 10:48               ` Web-UI for Ada applications Gour
2013-08-28 11:32                 ` Simon Clubley
2013-08-28 11:54                   ` Gour
2013-08-28 12:05                   ` G.B.
2013-08-28 16:13                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-28 15:54                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-28 14:08                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-08-28 15:34               ` Web-UI for Ada applications (Was: Object Pascal vs Ada -- which is better for a hobbyist?) Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-29  9:51                 ` Web-UI for Ada applications Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-08-27 23:17         ` Object Pascal vs Ada -- which is better for a hobbyist? Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-27 23:37         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-27 23:40           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-28  0:04             ` Oliver Kleinke
2013-08-28  6:28           ` Simon Wright
2013-09-01  3:04           ` Maurizio Tomasi
2013-09-01  3:48             ` Shark8
2013-08-28  8:02         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28  9:01           ` Gour
2013-08-28  9:55             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 10:42               ` Gour
2013-07-07  4:14 ` Patrick
2013-08-27 14:23 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2016-03-14 15:29 ` girobusan
2016-03-14 18:19   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2016-03-14 18:57     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-03-14 23:52       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-03-15 10:51       ` Bob Butler
2016-03-15 21:51         ` Randy Brukardt
2016-03-16 11:07           ` Bob Butler
2016-03-16 21:22             ` Ludovic Brenta
2016-03-17  1:08               ` brbarkstrom
2016-03-17  7:59               ` Bob Butler
2016-03-17  8:36                 ` gautier_niouzes
2016-03-15  9:04     ` egarrulo
2016-03-15  9:34       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-03-15  9:56         ` egarrulo
2016-03-15 10:23           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-03-15 10:31             ` egarrulo
2016-03-15 10:53               ` egarrulo
2016-03-15 13:18                 ` G.B.
2016-03-15 13:52                   ` egarrulo
2016-03-15 14:28                     ` G.B.
2016-03-15 14:31                       ` egarrulo
2016-03-17 14:59                         ` sjaniska
2016-03-15 17:50                       ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2016-03-16 15:43                     ` Jeremiah
2016-03-15 14:38                   ` G.B.
2016-03-15 17:33               ` Nasser M. Abbasi
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