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From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com>
Subject: Re: Surprise in array concatenation
Date: 05 Sep 2005 18:13:16 -0400
Date: 2005-09-05T18:13:16-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wccfysjnoxv.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1125942434.046551.206180@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

"jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net" <jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net> writes:

>...Concatenating array A whose indices represent
> the null set with array B whose indices represent some non-null set
> should always result in an array whose indices are a non-null set.

Agreed.

> Moreover, the most efficient and logical merging of the two sets
> results in a set idenitcal to the indices of B.

I don't agree that's most logical, but I suppose that's somewhat a
matter of taste.

But the Ada rule is _certainly_ not the "most efficient"!

If all Strings start at 1, then we reduce the size of the array dope by
4 bytes.  If the average String length in your program is, say, 20
bytes, you're saving 4 bytes for every 24, or about 17% of the memory
use, which is substantial.  Saving memory generally speed up programs
due to cache effects.

It's really annoying to me that the compiler stores zillions of copies
of the number 1 in memory (one copy for each String object), just
because some oddball String _might_ start at other than 1.

Furthermore, bounds checking would be much faster, because there would
be no need to load the lower-bound from memory.  Memory loads are often
slow on modern machines.

Furthermore, consider the code generated for 'Length:  In Ada, it's
something like:

    if X'First <= X'Last then
        X'Last - X'First + 1
    else
        0
    end if;

If X'First were known to be always 1, it would be:

    X'Last

If X'First were known to be always 17, it would be:

    X'Last - 16

These latter are branch-free code sequences.  Branches are often slow on
modern machines.

- Bob



  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-05 22:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-01  3:16 Surprise in array concatenation Gene
2005-09-01  7:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-01  8:02   ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-01 11:48     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-01 12:02       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2005-09-01 13:01         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-01 15:54       ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-01 16:09     ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-05  8:38       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-09-05 23:52         ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-06  9:03           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-09-07 17:57         ` adaworks
2005-09-07 20:01           ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-08  8:08             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-07 22:46           ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-08  4:43             ` Simon Wright
2005-09-08 10:36               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-08 13:47                 ` Ed Falis
2005-09-08 17:03                   ` Pascal Obry
2005-09-08 16:45               ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-08 19:37                 ` Simon Wright
2005-09-08  6:32             ` adaworks
2005-09-08  9:09               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-09-08 16:56               ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-09 14:04                 ` Bob Spooner
2005-09-09 16:17                 ` adaworks
2005-09-23 23:04               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-09-14  8:57           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2005-09-23 23:09           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-09-24 10:49             ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-24 20:27             ` Lurker
2005-09-25  0:20             ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-25 17:05             ` adaworks
2005-09-01 11:42   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-01 13:59     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-01 15:36       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-01 18:34         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-02 10:43           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-02 13:11             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-02 14:23               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-02 19:48                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-02 17:21           ` Björn Persson
2005-09-01 16:04   ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-01 18:06     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-02 10:42       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-02 13:20         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-02 14:14           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-02 19:48             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-03 20:01               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-04 10:13                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-05 13:22                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-05 15:50                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-05 18:20                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-05 18:31                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-06  8:20                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-06 11:52                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-06 13:46                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-06 15:51                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-06 21:32                                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-07  9:08                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-07 18:20                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-07 19:07                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-07 21:23                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-08 10:27                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-08 11:39                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-08 13:44                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-08 18:18                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-09 10:06                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-09 12:26                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-09 12:29                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-01  8:48 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-09-01 15:57 ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-01 21:42   ` Gene
2005-09-01 22:56     ` tmoran
2005-09-05 15:53       ` Gene
2005-09-05 17:47         ` jimmaureenrogers
2005-09-05 22:13           ` Robert A Duff [this message]
2005-09-06  8:24             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-05 19:22         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-09-05 21:54           ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-05 22:50             ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-05 23:46               ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-12  3:59                 ` Dave Thompson
2005-09-06 16:02             ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-06 21:00               ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-06  5:38         ` Pascal Obry
2005-09-05 21:48       ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-06  5:25         ` tmoran
2005-09-06 14:58           ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-06  9:26         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-06 15:00           ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-07 11:02             ` Thierry Pirot
2005-09-07 20:09               ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-06 13:22         ` Bob Spooner
2005-09-06 15:30           ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-06 16:12             ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-06 21:21               ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-02 20:19     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-09-03 12:51     ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2005-09-03 14:08       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-05  8:34         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-09-05  9:32           ` Arrays indexed by fixed point types (Was: Surprise in array concatenation) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-05 11:07             ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-09-05 15:12               ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2005-09-05 12:14             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-05 13:07               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-05 15:10                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-05 11:29           ` Surprise in array concatenation Dr. Adrian Wrigley
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