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From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com>
Subject: Re: Ada advocacy
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:46:18 -0400
Date: 2013-08-29T11:46:18-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wcceh9czeid.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: op.w2g9br0kule2fv@cardamome

"Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)" <yannick_duchene@yahoo.fr> writes:

> Why did you said “no big loss” about the rendez‑vous?

Here's an example based on something Tucker showed me that helped
convince me of the merits of protected objects over rendezvous:

    protected P is
        entry E1(...);
        entry E2(...);
    private
        State: Enum := This_State;
    end P;

    protected body P is
        entry E1(...) when State = This_State do
        ...
        end E1;

        entry E2(...) when State = That_State do
        ...
        end E2;
    end P;

In task T:

    select
        P.E1(...);
    else
        ... -- (***)
    end select;

P is always in one of two states: willing to do E1, and willing
to do E2.  At (***), we know that at the moment P.E1 was called,
P was not willing to do E1, and was therefore willing to do E2.
It is impossible for P to be in a state where it is not willing
to do either E1 or E2.  (A state visible to clients, I mean.)

It's not easy to program that using rendezvous.  The passive
task has to (actively) loop back around to the select statement,
so there is a small window of time where neither 'accept' is
open.  Small windows of time lead to subtle race conditions.

So you end up adding yet more task(s) to implement simple things
like locks.  So using rendezvous tends to add complexity to
the program.

Using an active entity (a task) to program something that
should be passive (which is what you end up doing with
rendezvous) is an abstraction inversion.  It's like killing
a gnat with a sledge hammer.

- Bob


  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-29 15:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-20 12:54 Ada advocacy tonyg
2012-03-20 13:54 ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-03-20 14:39 ` Marc C
2012-03-20 15:13   ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-03-20 16:34     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-03-20 16:35       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-03-20 20:06   ` Shark8
2012-03-20 15:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-03-20 18:31 ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-03-20 21:42 ` anon
2012-03-20 23:05   ` Shark8
2012-03-21  0:32 ` Shark8
2012-03-21  1:58 ` Robert Love
2012-03-21  5:37   ` Per Sandberg
2012-03-25 11:10     ` Peter C. Chapin
2012-03-21  8:59   ` anon
2013-06-17 23:42     ` johannes falcone
2013-06-18  0:09       ` tmoran
2013-06-18  0:14     ` Leo Brewin
2013-06-18  0:59       ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-19 19:22         ` johannes falcone
2013-06-19 19:34           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-06-19 20:16             ` Shark8
2013-06-19 19:36           ` Ludovic Brenta
2013-08-30  7:36             ` johannes falcone
2013-06-18  1:28       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-06-18  5:55         ` Peter Brooks
2013-06-18 17:15           ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-18 17:43             ` Bill Findlay
2013-06-18 19:22               ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-18 19:30                 ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 13:34             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-27 14:08               ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 14:13                 ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 21:25               ` J-P. Rosen
2013-08-28  7:45                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-27 22:42               ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-08-28  7:45               ` Maciej Sobczak
2013-08-28  8:58                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-08-28  9:42                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 11:42                     ` G.B.
2013-08-28 11:59                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 12:49                         ` G.B.
2013-08-28 14:07                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 15:06                             ` Eryndlia Mavourneen
2013-08-28 17:30                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 16:44                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-28 17:25                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 23:33                           ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-08-29  7:15                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-29 14:47                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-29 19:15                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-29 15:28               ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-29 21:43                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-30 23:52                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-31  0:05                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-31  1:42                       ` Shark8
2013-08-31  2:57                       ` Shark8
2013-08-31  9:00                         ` Dirk Craeynest
2013-08-31  1:48                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-09-02  7:13                   ` Egil H H
2013-09-02  8:41                     ` G.B.
2013-09-02 16:37                       ` Egil H H
2013-08-29 15:46               ` Robert A Duff [this message]
2013-08-30  4:47                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-30 16:54                   ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-30 17:49                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-30 22:41                       ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-31  0:02                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-31 14:47                           ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-19  7:29           ` nevillednz
2013-08-27 13:39             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-09-02 18:45           ` Martin
2013-06-17 23:39   ` johannes falcone
2012-03-21 10:44 ` tonyg
2013-06-18  0:07   ` johannes falcone
2012-03-23 16:13 ` KK6GM
2013-06-13 15:33 ` david
2013-06-13 15:34 ` david
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-08-26 20:33 Ada Advocacy Stephane Richard
2003-08-26 21:20 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-26 22:28   ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-26 23:04     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-27 16:15       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-27 23:06         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-28 10:39           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-26 23:55   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-27  0:44   ` Anisimkov
2003-08-27  8:26     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-27 20:12       ` Wes Groleau
2003-08-27 23:09         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-29 16:13           ` Jon S. Anthony
2003-08-29 18:15             ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-28  8:34         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-27  8:29     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-28  5:29       ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2003-09-01 21:26   ` Dave Thompson
2003-08-27  6:56 ` David Holm
2003-08-27 16:00 ` Rod Chapman
2003-08-29  6:38 ` Adrian Hoe
2003-08-29  9:34   ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-01  5:45     ` Adrian Hoe
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