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From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com>
Subject: Re: Inherited Methods and such
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:39:46 -0400
Date: 2007-09-27T09:39:46-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wccd4w45isd.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1190843408.713838.128690@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com

Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homepage@gmail.com> writes:

> My claim in this lengthy and philosophical discussion is that C++
> provides a complete solution which can be shortly described like this:
> the final type is not established from the very beginning, but is
> progressively moving along the inheritance chain as the subsequent
> constructors of base types complete their work. Thank's to this,
> primitive operations never dispatch further than what can be
> statically reasoned about.

Thanks for summarizing the discussion for me!

I agree with you that during construction you shouldn't dispatch to the
deeper type(s) -- i.e. the ones that can see parts of the object that
are not yet initialized.

But I find the C++ solution less than ideal -- the programmer might well
expect to dispatch to the deeper type, and be surprised when it doesn't.

Question: why do you want to dispatch at all during construction?
I think I remember you saying you wanted to install the object in some
global data structure.  But that just means you want to create an
access-to-class-wide, and put that somewhere -- no need to dispatch.

In other words, would you be happy with a rule saying you can't dispatch
during construction?  (Never mind, for the moment, whether that's a
compile-time or run-time rule (or some of both).)  If the answer is
"no", please give a realistic example where dispatching during
construction makes sense.  (I apologize if you already did -- as I said,
I got lost in this thread, and I didn't read all of it.)

- Bob



  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-09-27 13:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-17 14:26 Inherited Methods and such shaunpatterson
2007-09-17 15:11 ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-09-17 16:46   ` shaunpatterson
2007-09-17 19:07     ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-09-17 20:22   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-17 21:07     ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-09-18 14:27       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-18 14:27       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-18 15:25         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-18 18:34           ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-09-18 19:29             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-18 19:39               ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-09-18 20:49                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-18 21:10               ` Simon Wright
2007-09-18 20:39           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-18 21:12             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-19 14:49               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-19 15:16                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-19 22:13                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-20  8:12                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-20 13:52                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-20 16:22                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-20 20:45                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-21 18:59                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-21 21:02                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-22  8:48                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-22 21:53                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-23  8:41                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-23 20:36                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-24  9:32                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-24 15:02                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-24 19:20                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-25 20:53                                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-26 10:42                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-26 21:31                                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-27 15:02                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-27 21:02                                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-26 12:21                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-26 12:54                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-26 21:37                                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-26 23:47                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-27 21:08                                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-28  0:44                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-28 20:32                                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-28 22:35                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-29 23:58                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-26 12:26                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-26 21:50                                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-26 22:20                                                     ` Ray Blaak
2007-09-27  0:01                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-27 13:39                                                     ` Robert A Duff [this message]
2007-09-27 14:54                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-28  0:35                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
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2007-09-28 22:53                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-29 20:37                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-27 21:23                                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-28 19:12                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-28 19:02                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-28 19:42                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-28 20:44                                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-28 22:40                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-29 20:35                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-29 20:52                                                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-30  8:38                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-29 23:47                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-29 20:48                                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-29 23:39                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-30  8:38                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-29 23:42                                                           ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-25  1:59                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-25  8:59                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-25 21:02                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-26 12:42                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-18  4:03 ` Steve
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