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From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com>
Subject: Re: This can't be done in Ada...or?
Date: 12 Feb 2005 14:02:52 -0500
Date: 2005-02-12T14:02:52-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wccacq9mwir.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.138.1108216526.527.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org

Duncan Sands <baldrick@free.fr> writes:

> > The compiler can optimize away everything inside the "if
> > Logging_Enabled".  But it can't optimize away the evaluation of the
> > parameters unless it can prove the absence of side effects.
> > For example:
> > 
> >     Trace.Error(..., "Bad value of X " & Debug_Info(X));
> > 
> > where Debug_Info is some user-defined function that produces useful
> > debug info about some complicated data structure called X.
> > It has no side effects, but the compiler doesn't know that, usually.
> 
> GNAT's pragma Pure_Function might help here.

Yes.

Note that Pure_Function has different semantics than Pure (besides the
fact that Pure_Function has finer granularity).  Pragma Pure has rules
that require the thing to actually *be* pure.  The only way to
circumvent those rules is with things like machine code inserts.
But Pure_Function has no such rules: if you lie, the compiler will
believe you, and your program might malfunction.

Robert Dewar objected to the rules for pragma Pure during Ada 9X -- he
thought it should be like Pure_Function in that regard.  That's because
(like all compile time rules) the rules are conservative.  You can't
write a memoizing function and declare it Pure, but you can declare it
Pure_Function.

>...  Is something like that
> planned for Ada 2005?

Somebody answered that, "no".  If I were designing the language, I would
allow Pure on procedures and functions as well as library packages.
I would require compile time checking.  Then I would add *another*
pragma to turn off the checking; this could be placed in the body.
Seems like the best of both worlds: Robert can have his pure memoizing
functions, but in cases where the compiler *can* check the rules,
the rules are checked.

- Bob



  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-02-12 19:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-11 16:33 This can't be done in Ada...or? Per Lindquist
2005-02-11 16:51 ` Duncan Sands
2005-02-12 19:55   ` Florian Weimer
2005-02-14  8:34     ` Per Lindquist
2005-02-14  8:17   ` Per Lindquist
2005-02-11 17:02 ` Jeff C
2005-02-11 18:27   ` Robert A Duff
2005-02-11 23:51     ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-02-11 23:52       ` Robert A Duff
2005-02-12 13:55     ` Duncan Sands
2005-02-12 14:58       ` Martin Krischik
2005-02-12 15:56         ` Martin Dowie
2005-02-12 19:02       ` Robert A Duff [this message]
2005-02-14  8:49     ` Per Lindquist
2005-02-11 17:08 ` Jerome Hugues
2005-02-14  9:05   ` Per Lindquist
2005-02-14 13:07     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-02-12  1:10 ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-02-12 14:01   ` Duncan Sands
2005-02-13  0:27     ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-02-14  9:10       ` Per Lindquist
2005-02-15  0:40         ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-02-15  7:40           ` Per Lindquist
2005-02-15  8:39             ` OT: Google reply (Was: Re: This can't be done in Ada...or?) Adrien Plisson
2005-02-15  9:42               ` Per Lindquist
2005-02-15  8:27           ` This can't be done in Ada...or? Per Lindquist
2005-02-14 22:10             ` Manuel G. R.
2005-02-15  8:47             ` Mark Lorenzen
2005-02-15  9:09               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-02-15  9:31                 ` Mark Lorenzen
2005-02-15  9:48                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-02-15 10:07                     ` Mark Lorenzen
2005-02-15 10:15                   ` Martin Dowie
2005-02-17 22:09                     ` Randy Brukardt
2005-02-18  6:53                       ` Martin Dowie
2005-02-15 13:46                   ` Robert A Duff
2005-02-15 13:41                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-02-15 16:30                   ` Per Lindquist
2005-02-15 19:38                     ` Martin Dowie
2005-02-15 20:20                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-02-17 21:52                   ` Simon Wright
2005-02-17 22:06               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-02-17 22:40                 ` Mark Lorenzen
2005-02-16  0:04             ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-02-16  0:09             ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-02-17  9:47               ` Per Lindquist
2005-02-17 22:36               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-02-14 15:21 ` Peter Amey
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