From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com>
Subject: Re: Half Constrained Array Types and Slices
Date: 03 Mar 2006 18:41:10 -0500
Date: 2006-03-03T18:41:10-05:00 [thread overview]
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"Jeffrey R. Carter" <spam@spam.com> writes:
> Robert A Duff wrote:
> > I'm not so sure about that. I'm inclined to say slices always slide to
> > the lower bound. The idea that X(3..5) should have lower bound 3 seems
> > to make sense at first, until you think about passing that slice as a
> > parameter. The called procedure should not care that it's a slice at
> > all -- much less the particular bounds used to create it. The Ada rule
> > violates abstraction. Same issue for function returns.
>
> OK. So you're saying a slice (Lo .. Hi) of an unconstrained array type
> would slide to Index'First .. Index'First + Hi - Lo?
Yes.
> > Yes, I agree that's a problem. Various possible solutions come to
> > mind. Probably the simplest is to outlaw slices of constrained arrays.
> > After all, what is the sense in saying "all arrays of type T go from
> > 1 to 5", and then turn around and create values of type T with bounds
> > 3..4? Even in Ada as is, there is very little use for this feature.
> > You can do:
> > type Bits is array(Int range 0..31) of Boolean;
> > function Rotate(X: Bits) return Boolean Bits is
> > begin
> > return X(31) & X(0..30);
> > end Rotate;
> > But that's not worth much language complexity. If you want that,
> > declare an unconstrained (doubly unconstrained?) array, along with
> > constrained subtype(s).
>
> That was the rule in Ada 83, IIRC. It apparently bit enough people that
> it was changed in Ada 95.
I don't know of any change between 83 and 95, here.
But I could be forgetting something; please remind me.
Anyway, my suggestion was to forbid (at compile time) any slices that
might cause confusion in the mind of the programmer, or run-time
errors. I think I'd be happy with a language that allows slices only
when the lower-bound is fixed.
I'd also be happy to eliminate slices as l-values. They cause a lot of
implementation difficulty for not much benefit. Or else go the whole
hog, and allow X(5..10) := "xx", which does not work in Ada, because
that would require changing the length of the whole thing.
> > I can talk about more and more exotic ideas, depending on how far away
> > from Ada you're willing to contemplate. ;-) For example, I'd like to
> > be able to do:
> > type T(D1: ...; D2: ...) is ...
> > subtype S is T(D1 => 17); -- Illegal in Ada to partially constrain!
> > Or maybe the syntax should be "T(D1 => 17, D2 => <>)".
>
> In that case, this would be how you'd deal with slices of
> half-constrained arrays if you wanted to keep the bounds; the base type
> would be unconstrained and the first-named subtype would be partially
> constrained.
Yes, but this is all very not-Ada in several ways.
There are probably some semantic anomalies I have not considered.
- Bob
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Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-03-02 5:00 Half Constrained Array Types and Slices Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-03-02 8:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-02 15:34 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-03-02 19:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-02 20:06 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-03-02 20:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-02 21:01 ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-02 20:40 ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-02 14:32 ` Larry Kilgallen
2006-03-02 20:08 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-03-02 20:48 ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-06 2:16 ` Larry Kilgallen
2006-03-06 18:50 ` Martin Krischik
2006-03-02 20:38 ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-03 5:15 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-03-03 8:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-03 23:41 ` Robert A Duff [this message]
2006-03-06 17:50 ` Jeff Carter
2006-03-06 18:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-07 19:02 ` Jeff Carter
2006-03-08 14:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-09 22:44 ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-10 8:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-06 19:49 ` Stefan Lucks
2006-03-08 17:36 ` brian.b.mcguinness
2006-03-08 17:56 ` Jeff Carter
2006-03-09 22:36 ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-10 4:28 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-03-10 8:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-10 17:33 ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-10 21:24 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-10 17:38 ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-11 0:19 ` Randy Brukardt
2006-03-11 1:43 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-03-11 8:38 ` Niklas Holsti
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