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From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com>
Subject: Re: Elaboration order handling (Was: Bug in 'gnatmake')
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:23:46 -0400
Date: 2013-06-20T11:23:46-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wcc8v24rekd.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 51c2e65c$0$6634$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net

"G.B." <rm-dash-bau-haus@dash.futureapps.de> writes:

> Well, programmers will depend on anything that is known,
> more so if the standard defines it. (Like INT_MAX/Max_Int
> is 2**31-1, you know...)

True.  But Ada is supposed to catch errors as early as possible.
The case I'm complaining about here (where the programmer
accidentally depends on the order chosen by some compiler,
when that order is not required by the RM) is not caught at
compile time.  It's not caught at link time.  It's not caught
at run time during testing, nor by your customers.

It's caught 4 years later, when the programmer who made the mistake
is gone, and some other programmer tries to port to a different
Ada compiler.  That's a huge waste of money.

Anyway, the language design should focus on preventing mistakes,
rather than preventing incompetent programmers from doing
damage -- the latter is a fool's errand.

> However, a configuration pragma for elaboration should be fine?
> It says,
>  "Take this way of walking the dependency graph"
>
> Stating the way then prevents configuration from being an
> implicit consequence of the LRM. It also adds a way of
> testing different paths of elaboration.

We already have too many elaboration-control pragmas.  I'm not
sure adding another one is the right approach.

Having said that, GNAT does support something like what you
suggest -- as a switch, not a pragma.

- Bob


  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-20 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-17 10:57 Range check for type 'Integer' Peter Brooks
2013-06-17 11:23 ` Simon Clubley
2013-06-17 11:54   ` Simon Wright
2013-06-17 12:55   ` Peter Brooks
2013-06-17 13:28     ` Shark8
2013-06-17 13:45       ` Peter Brooks
2013-06-17 21:16         ` Shark8
2013-06-18 10:48     ` Stephen Leake
2013-06-17 12:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-06-17 13:23 ` Bug in 'gnatmake' (Was: Range check for type 'Integer') Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-06-17 13:32   ` Bug in 'gnatmake' Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-06-17 16:50   ` Bug in 'gnatmake' (Was: Range check for type 'Integer') Robert A Duff
2013-06-17 19:15     ` Peter Brooks
2013-06-17 21:09       ` Shark8
2013-06-17 21:22       ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-18  1:21         ` Peter Brooks
2013-06-18  6:33           ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-18  7:29       ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-06-17 18:49   ` Bug in 'gnatmake' Simon Wright
2013-06-18  9:09     ` Elaboration order handling (Was: Bug in 'gnatmake') Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-06-18 17:09       ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-18 22:52         ` Adam Beneschan
2013-06-19  1:21           ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-19 12:38             ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-19 20:43               ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-06-20  0:37                 ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-20 19:56                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-06-19 12:22           ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-19 15:46             ` Adam Beneschan
2013-06-19 16:41               ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-19 20:47               ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-06-19 21:36                 ` Adam Beneschan
2013-06-20  0:57                 ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-20  1:09                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-20  2:29                     ` Adam Beneschan
2013-06-20  6:08                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-20 15:11                     ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-21  5:26                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-21 15:48                         ` Adam Beneschan
2013-06-21 18:35                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-21 19:10                             ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-21 21:27                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-21 20:43                             ` Adam Beneschan
2013-06-21 21:44                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-21 23:47                                 ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-23 14:43                                   ` AdaMagica
2013-06-21 18:58                         ` null declarative parts (was: Re: Elaboration order handling) Robert A Duff
2013-06-21 20:42                           ` null declarative parts Georg Bauhaus
2013-06-20  2:11                   ` Elaboration order handling (Was: Bug in 'gnatmake') Adam Beneschan
2013-06-20 14:44                     ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-20 11:24                   ` G.B.
2013-06-20 15:23                     ` Robert A Duff [this message]
2013-06-19 21:00             ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-06-19 22:26             ` Randy Brukardt
2013-06-20  0:31               ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-20 21:36                 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-06-19 13:07         ` Bill Findlay
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