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From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com>
Subject: Re: Concatenation and Characters
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:48:38 GMT
Date: 2002-10-22T14:48:38+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wcc1y6ih6m1.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3DB4C9C4.1070003@worldnet.att.net

Jim Rogers <jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net> writes:

> One of the reasons default initialization is difficult for numerics
> in Ada is because Ada allows you to define your own numeric types.
> This means that the language cannot assume any particular value is
> always a correct value for any numeric type.

True.  In fact, what would you like as the default initial value of
this:

    X: Integer range 1..0;

?

> Note that the 'Valid attribute can be checked before accessing any
> variable. This attribute returns TRUE when the variable contains a
> valid value and FALSE when the variable contains an invalid value.

Not "any variable" -- it doesn't work for composite types.

Anyway, 'Valid is irrelevant to the problem of uninitialized variables.
It's silly to check 'Valid of all your variables -- much easier to 
make sure they are initialized properly.  'Valid is for validating input
data, not for detecting program bugs.

By the way, it's interesting that a pre-1983 version of Ada (or maybe it
was called Green then) required run-time detection of uses of
uninitialized variables -- an exception was raised.  I presume they got
rid of that because of concerns about run-time speed (or lack of it).
I think that was a mistake: you could always use pragma Suppress if you
need the speed.  This decision (the trade-off between the debugging aid
and speed) should be in the hands of the programmer, not the language
designer.

Another issue with run-time detection is that it sometimes requires
extra bits to be allocated, which might mess up representations
(e.g., if you're interfacing to hardware).

- Bob



  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-22 14:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-10 14:50 Concatenation and Characters Justin Birtwell
2002-10-10 14:55 ` Preben Randhol
2002-10-10 15:04   ` Justin Birtwell
2002-10-10 15:22     ` Preben Randhol
2002-10-10 15:30       ` Justin Birtwell
2002-10-10 16:05         ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-10-10 16:07         ` Preben Randhol
2002-10-10 17:45         ` Robert A Duff
2002-10-10 15:32       ` Justin Birtwell
2002-10-10 15:36         ` Preben Randhol
2002-10-10 16:44         ` Mark Biggar
2002-10-10 17:45           ` Stephen Leake
2002-10-10 21:53             ` Mark Biggar
2002-10-18 17:03           ` Programmer Dude
2002-10-18 18:13             ` Preben Randhol
2002-10-18 18:36             ` Wes Groleau
2002-10-21 15:16               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-10-18 21:33             ` Mark Biggar
2002-10-20  2:01               ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-10-21 14:13                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-10-21 15:22                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-10-21 19:38                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-10-22 22:15                       ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-10-22 12:05                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-10-22 12:19                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2002-10-22 14:43                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-10-23  8:39                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-10-23 14:39                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-10-24  8:18                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-10-21 16:50                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-10-21 15:20             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-10-21 17:51               ` Programmer Dude
2002-10-21 18:48                 ` Jim Rogers
2002-10-21 19:44                   ` tmoran
2002-10-21 20:42                   ` Programmer Dude
2002-10-22  1:42                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-10-22 14:37                       ` Robert A Duff
2002-10-22 18:51                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-10-23  7:01                         ` Pascal Obry
2002-10-22 14:45                       ` Matthew Heaney
2002-10-22 18:47                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-10-22 21:31                         ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                         ` <3DB59D75.20609 <wccd6q29n3l.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-10-23  2:02                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-10-23 13:16                             ` Matthew Heaney
2002-10-23 19:11                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-10-23 15:24                             ` Robert A Duff
2002-10-23 19:24                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-10-24  0:33                                 ` Robert A Duff
2002-10-22  3:46                     ` Jim Rogers
2002-10-22 14:48                       ` Robert A Duff [this message]
2002-10-22 15:02                         ` Fraser Wilson
2002-10-22 15:38                           ` David C. Hoos
2002-10-22 15:44                             ` Fraser Wilson
2002-10-22 16:13                         ` Robert A Duff
2002-10-23  8:58                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-10-23  9:08                             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2002-10-23  9:34                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-10-23 10:10                                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2002-10-23 17:15                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-10-24  8:41                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-10-24  9:25                                   ` Fraser Wilson
2002-10-24 14:13                                     ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                         ` <un <wcc7kgazc20.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-10-22 16:46                           ` David C. Hoos
2002-10-22  8:51                   ` Stuart Palin
2002-10-22 18:56                     ` Programmer Dude
2002-10-21 19:42                 ` Georg Bauhaus
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-10-11  5:04 Grein, Christoph
2002-10-11 10:30 ` Preben Randhol
2002-10-23  5:15 Grein, Christoph
2002-10-23 13:19 ` Matthew Heaney
2002-10-24  5:53 Grein, Christoph
2002-10-24 14:04 ` Matthew Heaney
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