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From: Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net>
Subject: Re: Alternatives to C: ObjectPascal, Eiffel, Ada or Modula-3?
Date: 23 Mar 2010 13:33:14 -0700
Date: 2010-03-23T13:33:14-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <w9zzl1ykcc5.fsf@zipcon.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4ba9005a$0$15857$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr

Pascal Obry <pascal@obry.net> writes:

> Jim,
> 
> > I included Pascal because once you get up into languages that do bounds
> > checking, performance will degrade. Pascal is one of those languages
> > that does bounds checking. It comes down to this:
> > 
> > a) Either the programmer writes code to not exceed array bounds, or
> > b) Use a language that does it for you.
> > 
> > The choice of (a) will cost you a little bit of time developing.
> > The choice of (b) is going to cost you in performance when done.
> > 
> > If we were to add another language to our benchmarks, Pascal would be
> > the logical choice. And we may do it at some point in the future. We're
> > certainly going to add many more algorithms to the testing as time permits.
> 
> I dont' know for Pascal, Ada does bound checking too. Nevertheless, in
> some cases the checks can be removed automatically, for example:
> 
>    type Tab is array (1 .. 10) of Integer;
> 
>    T : Tab;
> 
>    for K in T'Range loop
>       T (K) :=
>    end loop;
> 
> Here "T (K)" won't trigger a runtime check as the compile can see at
> compile time that K is always in the proper range.
> 
> But anyway this is not even an issue. For performance you can always
> remove the checks using the right compiler option. Then you have the
> best of both worlds. During development the checks are really helpful,
> in production you remove them.

It's been said that this approach is like having lifeboats on an ocean
liner while it is in sea trials, and then taking them out when it
starts to carry passengers.

-- Patrick



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-03-23 20:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 285+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-18 14:19 Alternatives to C: ObjectPascal, Eiffel, Ada or Modula-3? Andrea Taverna
2009-07-18 14:42 ` Richard Harter
2009-07-18 14:53 ` Francois PIETTE
2009-07-18 15:23   ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-18 18:27     ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-18 18:46       ` Pascal Obry
2009-08-04 20:09         ` Hendrik Boom
2009-08-04 21:35           ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-18 18:57       ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-18 15:18 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-19 13:50   ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-19 14:06     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-20 10:13   ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-08-04 20:12     ` Hendrik Boom
2009-07-21 12:03   ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 13:25     ` Mark T.B. Carroll
2009-07-18 15:50 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-18 16:31   ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-18 19:48   ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-20 10:34   ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-23 22:58   ` A few Ada questions Andrea Taverna
2009-07-24  0:28     ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-24  9:07       ` AdaMagica
2009-07-28  9:48         ` Making a nonlimited type controlled by means of a controlled component Ludovic Brenta
2009-08-14 22:21           ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-14 22:51             ` Adam Beneschan
2009-07-24  7:00     ` A few Ada questions Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-24 15:26       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-24 15:01         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-18 16:27 ` Alternatives to C: ObjectPascal, Eiffel, Ada or Modula-3? BGB / cr88192
2009-07-18 17:41 ` Ben Bacarisse
2009-07-20 10:39   ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 16:17     ` Ben Bacarisse
2009-07-21 12:10     ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 14:40       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-22  0:25         ` Andrew Reilly
2009-07-19  1:04 ` Andrew Reilly
2009-07-19 13:14   ` mockturtle
2009-07-19 13:35   ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-19 15:28     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-19 17:30       ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-19 18:02       ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-19 19:09         ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-19 19:14         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-19 19:51           ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-19 19:52 ` tm
2009-07-20  9:57 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-20 13:42   ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-20 14:37   ` tm
2009-07-20 15:14     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-24  7:26       ` tm
2009-07-24  8:10         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-25 17:39           ` Frank J. Lhota
2009-07-25 18:12             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-24 21:15         ` Wolfgang Ehrhardt
2009-07-24 22:29           ` bartc
2009-07-26 10:55             ` tm
2009-07-26 12:14               ` bartc
2009-07-26 13:21                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-26 15:43                   ` bartc
2009-07-20 15:46     ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-20 16:08     ` Ben Bacarisse
2009-07-20 19:48     ` Tetrahedral Quartz
2009-07-26  2:26   ` wwilson
2009-07-20 12:15 ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 12:59   ` Mark T.B. Carroll
2009-07-20 13:18     ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 13:21       ` Mark T.B. Carroll
2009-07-20 14:49         ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 18:33   ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-20 18:49     ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-20 19:35       ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-20 21:54         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-21  7:39         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 14:30           ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 15:17             ` Martin
2009-07-20 19:23     ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-20 19:55       ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 12:49       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-20 19:44     ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 20:14       ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-20 22:22         ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-21  1:33           ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21  7:54             ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-21  7:59             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 13:08               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21 12:43                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 14:48                 ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 14:45               ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 15:46                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 17:34                   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21  8:56             ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-21  9:31               ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-21 15:02               ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 16:42                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-21 18:00                   ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-22 14:10                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-22 14:54                       ` Cesar Rabak
2010-03-24  2:46                       ` Robert Love
2010-03-25 15:51                         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21 17:37                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21 14:08             ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-21 13:38         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21 15:25           ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 17:48             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-23 18:47               ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-23 19:20                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-23 21:51                   ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24  1:08                   ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-24  7:04                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-22 19:29   ` sjw
2009-07-22 20:05     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-23 12:01     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-24  1:19       ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-24  8:50         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-24 15:56           ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-24 16:52         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-24 18:36           ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-24 21:46           ` Robert A Duff
2009-07-25 14:32             ` jimmaureenrogers
2009-07-25 17:31             ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 12:25 ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 11:41   ` Martin
2009-07-21 14:09     ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 13:41       ` Martin
2009-07-21 13:45         ` Martin
2009-07-21 13:58         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 16:06         ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 15:54           ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-22  9:37             ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-22  9:19               ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-22  7:53           ` Martin
2009-07-22  9:18             ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 23:17         ` Robert A Duff
2009-07-21 14:12   ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-21 14:14     ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-21 14:38     ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-21 15:29       ` Mark T.B. Carroll
2009-07-21 16:10     ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-22  8:16       ` Martin
2009-07-22 18:59         ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24  8:15     ` tm
2009-07-24  9:31       ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24  9:42         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-24 13:03           ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24 10:15         ` tm
2009-07-24 13:11           ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24 13:01             ` tm
2009-07-24 14:42               ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-25  1:15         ` wwilson
2009-07-25  6:05           ` robertwessel2
2009-07-25  9:24             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-26  2:10             ` wwilson
2009-07-26  3:27               ` Andrew Reilly
2009-07-26 10:08                 ` bartc
2009-07-27 11:28               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-28  5:01                 ` wwilson
2009-07-28 10:13                   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-28 12:29                   ` Dave Seaman
2009-07-28 12:42                     ` Peter Hermann
2009-07-28 18:35                     ` wwilson
2009-07-21 13:09 ` parnell
2009-07-28 20:57 ` fft1976
2009-07-28 21:59   ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-28 22:01   ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-30  3:04     ` fft1976
2009-07-30  6:47       ` Martin
2009-07-28 23:14   ` Jon Harrop
2009-08-01 19:46     ` frankenstein
2009-08-01 21:56       ` Paul Rubin
2009-08-01 23:28         ` Jon Harrop
2009-08-02 10:07         ` frankenstein
2009-08-02 18:55           ` Jon Harrop
2009-08-02  9:48       ` frankenstein
2009-07-29  0:40   ` Oxide Scrubber
2009-07-29  2:52     ` fft1976
2009-07-29  4:46       ` Oxide Scrubber
2009-07-29  7:50   ` Elena
2009-07-29 15:06     ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-29  8:11   ` Ray Blaak
2009-07-29  9:57     ` learn2code
2009-07-29 11:38       ` Oxide Scrubber
2009-07-29 14:03         ` learn2code
2009-07-29 14:35           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
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2009-08-03 11:19             ` oxhiderubber
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2009-07-29 17:22       ` Ray Blaak
2009-07-29 18:44     ` Martin
2009-07-29 20:58       ` Jon Harrop
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2009-07-30  2:11   ` tmoran
2009-07-30  2:34     ` fft1976
2009-07-30  2:48       ` Paul Rubin
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2009-07-30  3:53           ` Paul Rubin
2009-07-30  6:51           ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-30  7:52             ` fft1976
2009-07-30  8:34               ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-30 16:10               ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-30 17:09                 ` fft1976
2009-07-30 17:20                   ` Pascal Obry
2009-07-30 17:28                     ` fft1976
2009-07-30 17:47                     ` Isaac Gouy
2009-07-31 10:48                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-30 17:23                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-30 17:59                 ` Isaac Gouy
2009-07-30 19:38                   ` fft1976
2009-07-30 21:44                     ` Isaac Gouy
2009-07-30 22:14                       ` Paul Rubin
2009-07-31 10:27                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-31 11:13                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-31 11:29                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-31 16:38                     ` Isaac Gouy
2009-07-30 16:25             ` Isaac Gouy
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2010-03-23 16:50   ` Warren
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