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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Ichbiah 2022 compiler mode
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2024 02:14:00 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <vk5tc9$3uoku$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
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"Lioneldraghi" <lionel.draghi@free.fr> wrote in message 
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> Le 06/09/2024 à 02:03, Randy Brukardt a écrit :
>> (3) A number of syntax options are eliminated. Matching identifiers are
>> required at the end of subprograms and packages. Initializers are always
>> required (<> can be used if default initialization is needed). Keyword
>> "variable" is needed to declare variables (we do not want the worst 
>> option
>> to be the easiest to write, as it is in Ada).
>
> Why are you considering variables worst than constants?
>
> I don't want the the "worst" option to be the easiest to write, but 
> neither do I want to put one more keyword in the most common case.

A lot of "variables" in code actually are only written once. In Ada, those 
are better modeled as constants. A constant tells the reader that the value 
doesn't change during the life of the object, which is easier for analysis 
(both human and machine).

Secondly, I am assuming that automation is helping to write a lot of code. 
"One more keyword" is irrelevant in terms of creating code, the only 
question is whether it hurts readability. I prefer to have most things 
written explicitly (but not to the point of noise, of course). That seems 
especially true if the code is being written by a program and mostly you are 
trying to figure out why it doesn't work!

> Note that :
> 1. I have no statistics, but it seems to me that there is more variables 
> than constants in my code.

But how many of them *have* to be variables vs. the number that just are 
because it is easier? I know I have a number of the latter.

> 2. I say "Useless" from my coder point of view, I dont know if it simplify 
> the work for compiler or tools implementers.

Constants do help the compiler generate better code, although a lot of the 
benefits can be gained also by working harder. (That's what C compilers do, 
after all.)

               Randy. 


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-21  8:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-05 11:52 Ichbiah 2022 compiler mode Kevin Chadwick
2024-09-05 13:40 ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2024-09-05 13:49   ` Bill Findlay
2024-09-05 19:22     ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2024-09-05 14:05   ` Kevin Chadwick
2024-09-05 16:08   ` Kevin Chadwick
2024-09-05 19:24     ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2024-09-06  0:03 ` Randy Brukardt
2024-09-06  0:58   ` Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-09-12  4:39     ` Randy Brukardt
2024-09-12 22:24       ` Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-09-14  6:18         ` Randy Brukardt
2024-09-14  7:18           ` Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-09-06 21:22   ` Simon Wright
2024-09-07 17:13     ` Niklas Holsti
2024-09-07 20:34       ` Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester
2024-09-12  4:46       ` Randy Brukardt
2024-09-12  7:42         ` Niklas Holsti
2024-09-12  9:07           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2024-09-12 12:36           ` Kevin Chadwick
2024-09-12 15:43             ` Niklas Holsti
2024-09-13 20:45             ` Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester
2024-09-12  9:04         ` J-P. Rosen
2024-09-12 11:35           ` Niklas Holsti
2024-09-14  6:13             ` Randy Brukardt
2024-09-14  6:47               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2024-09-14  7:19               ` Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-09-14  8:12               ` Niklas Holsti
2024-12-20 23:26   ` Lioneldraghi
2024-12-21  8:14     ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2024-12-21  9:50       ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2024-12-24  1:00         ` Randy Brukardt
2024-12-21 17:19       ` G.B.
2024-12-21 17:35         ` Chris Townley
2024-12-22 12:15         ` Simon Wright
2024-12-22 15:52           ` G.B.
2024-12-22 23:06             ` Simon Wright
2024-12-24  1:03         ` Randy Brukardt
2024-12-21 21:26       ` Keith Thompson
2024-12-22  9:32         ` Pascal Obry
2024-12-21  0:52   ` Lioneldraghi
2024-12-21  8:19     ` Randy Brukardt
2024-09-06 11:07 ` Jeffrey R.Carter
2024-09-06 20:26   ` Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester
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