* What Can We do About AdaHome.com
@ 2003-06-16 6:02 Richard Riehle
2003-06-16 7:57 ` Preben Randhol
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From: Richard Riehle @ 2003-06-16 6:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
One of my students used AdaHome.com as a bibliographic
reference in a recent paper turned in to me. I noted that
AdaHome is no longer a viable source of up-to-date information
about Ada. He corrected the reference.
The problem is that AdaHome continues to be a bad choice
for anyone trying to get current information about Ada. How
can we correct this problem?
Richard Riehle
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* Re: What Can We do About AdaHome.com
2003-06-16 6:02 What Can We do About AdaHome.com Richard Riehle
@ 2003-06-16 7:57 ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-16 13:13 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-06-16 22:22 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-06-16 9:09 ` John McCabe
` (2 subsequent siblings)
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From: Preben Randhol @ 2003-06-16 7:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
Richard Riehle wrote:
> One of my students used AdaHome.com as a bibliographic
> reference in a recent paper turned in to me. I noted that
> AdaHome is no longer a viable source of up-to-date information
> about Ada. He corrected the reference.
>
> The problem is that AdaHome continues to be a bad choice
> for anyone trying to get current information about Ada. How
> can we correct this problem?
Perhaps one could write to Kempe Software Capital Enterprises =>
http://www.ksce.com/ and ask if one could get to some sort of agreement?
--
�It's probably worth pointing out that C's pointer arithmetic is not
only dangerous, and a significant source of errors, but it also makes
programs run slower.�
- James Kanze on comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++.moderated
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* Re: What Can We do About AdaHome.com
2003-06-16 7:57 ` Preben Randhol
@ 2003-06-16 13:13 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-06-16 13:21 ` David C. Hoos
2003-06-16 16:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-16 22:22 ` Randy Brukardt
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From: Alexander Kopilovitch @ 2003-06-16 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
Preben Randhol wrote:
>Richard Riehle wrote:
>...
>> The problem is that AdaHome continues to be a bad choice
>> for anyone trying to get current information about Ada. How
>> can we correct this problem?
>
>Perhaps one could write to Kempe Software Capital Enterprises =>
>http://www.ksce.com/ and ask if one could get to some sort of agreement?
I just glanced there and didn't find on this page any way to contact the owner.
So perhaps better method to deal with the problem is to spread a rumor in some
crackers circles that the AdaHome site is so strongly fortified site that it
cannot be defaced.
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* Re: What Can We do About AdaHome.com
2003-06-16 13:13 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
@ 2003-06-16 13:21 ` David C. Hoos
2003-06-16 16:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
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From: David C. Hoos @ 2003-06-16 13:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
The "Who Is" record for the site yields:
Registrant:
Kempe Software Capital Enterprises (ADAHOME-DOM)
Prairie 9
Gland, CH 1196
CH
Domain Name: ADAHOME.COM
Administrative Contact:
Kempe, Magnus (MK1755) M.Kempe@IEEE.ORG
KSCE Ada Home
rte d'Essertine
Pailly, CH 1416
CH
+41 21 887 8442
"Alexander Kopilovitch" <aek@vib.usr.pu.ru> wrote in message
news:e2e5731a.0306160513.7f03f8c@posting.google.com...
> Preben Randhol wrote:
> >Richard Riehle wrote:
> >...
> >> The problem is that AdaHome continues to be a bad choice
> >> for anyone trying to get current information about Ada. How
> >> can we correct this problem?
> >
> >Perhaps one could write to Kempe Software Capital Enterprises =>
> >http://www.ksce.com/ and ask if one could get to some sort of agreement?
>
> I just glanced there and didn't find on this page any way to contact the
owner.
> So perhaps better method to deal with the problem is to spread a rumor in
some
> crackers circles that the AdaHome site is so strongly fortified site that
it
> cannot be defaced.
> _______________________________________________
> comp.lang.ada mailing list
> comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org
> http://ada.eu.org/mailman/listinfo/comp.lang.ada
>
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* Re: What Can We do About AdaHome.com
2003-06-16 13:13 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-06-16 13:21 ` David C. Hoos
@ 2003-06-16 16:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
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From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2003-06-16 16:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
Alexander Kopilovitch <aek@vib.usr.pu.ru> wrote:
: Preben Randhol wrote:
:>Richard Riehle wrote:
:>...
:>> The problem is that AdaHome continues to be a bad choice
:>> for anyone trying to get current information about Ada. How
:>> can we correct this problem?
:>
:>Perhaps one could write to Kempe Software Capital Enterprises =>
:>http://www.ksce.com/ and ask if one could get to some sort of agreement?
:
: I just glanced there and didn't find on this page any way to contact the owner.
: So perhaps better method to deal with the problem is to spread a rumor in some
: crackers circles that the AdaHome site is so strongly fortified site that it
: cannot be defaced.
That might lead to the loss of valuable information on that site.
Has someone collected the material, as far as law allows?
-- Georg
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* Re: What Can We do About AdaHome.com
2003-06-16 7:57 ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-16 13:13 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
@ 2003-06-16 22:22 ` Randy Brukardt
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From: Randy Brukardt @ 2003-06-16 22:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
Preben Randhol wrote in message ...
>Richard Riehle wrote:
>> One of my students used AdaHome.com as a bibliographic
>> reference in a recent paper turned in to me. I noted that
>> AdaHome is no longer a viable source of up-to-date information
>> about Ada. He corrected the reference.
>>
>> The problem is that AdaHome continues to be a bad choice
>> for anyone trying to get current information about Ada. How
>> can we correct this problem?
>
>Perhaps one could write to Kempe Software Capital Enterprises =>
>http://www.ksce.com/ and ask if one could get to some sort of
agreement?
I tried that; I would have even tried to get the ARA to provide some
money if that was necessary. But he doesn't seem to want to tell anyone
what he actually wants.
Anyway, I've been campaigning to eliminate as many links as possible to
AdaHome. That should cause it to drop down (or off) of the Google search
engine results, which seems to be about all we can do.
(And, of course, when searching for Ada related info, use the Ada wide
search engine at http://www.adaic.com/site/wide-search.html - you can
include AdaHome in those searches, but it is not included by default.)
If you know of any web sites that link to Ada Home, ask the web master
to find alternative links. Feel free to have them contact me; I've found
alternatives for nearly everything. (For instance, the Lovelace tutorial
is hosted at a number of other places, the author has moved the
"official" version to another site. Don't link to the Ada Home version.)
Randy.
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* Re: What Can We do About AdaHome.com
2003-06-16 6:02 What Can We do About AdaHome.com Richard Riehle
2003-06-16 7:57 ` Preben Randhol
@ 2003-06-16 9:09 ` John McCabe
2003-06-16 10:11 ` Martin Dowie
2003-06-16 10:55 ` Jeffrey Creem
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From: John McCabe @ 2003-06-16 9:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:02:48 -0700, Richard Riehle
<richard@adaworks.com> wrote:
>One of my students used AdaHome.com as a bibliographic
>reference in a recent paper turned in to me. I noted that
>AdaHome is no longer a viable source of up-to-date information
>about Ada.
How can you say that - it's only 4.5 years since the "Bookworm's Lair"
page was updated, 7 years since the "Top 5" award was, err, awarded
etc ;-)
Best Regards
John McCabe
To reply by email replace 'nospam' with 'assen'
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* Re: What Can We do About AdaHome.com
2003-06-16 6:02 What Can We do About AdaHome.com Richard Riehle
2003-06-16 7:57 ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-16 9:09 ` John McCabe
@ 2003-06-16 10:11 ` Martin Dowie
2003-06-16 10:55 ` Jeffrey Creem
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From: Martin Dowie @ 2003-06-16 10:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
Richard Riehle <richard@adaworks.com> wrote in message news:<3EED5D88.56EA3591@adaworks.com>...
> One of my students used AdaHome.com as a bibliographic
> reference in a recent paper turned in to me. I noted that
> AdaHome is no longer a viable source of up-to-date information
> about Ada. He corrected the reference.
>
> The problem is that AdaHome continues to be a bad choice
> for anyone trying to get current information about Ada. How
> can we correct this problem?
We could try and get the web page to automatically redirect
visitors to either AdaPower or AdaIC...
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* Re: What Can We do About AdaHome.com
2003-06-16 6:02 What Can We do About AdaHome.com Richard Riehle
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2003-06-16 10:11 ` Martin Dowie
@ 2003-06-16 10:55 ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-06-16 13:39 ` David Botton
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From: Jeffrey Creem @ 2003-06-16 10:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
Both David Botton and I have tried to address this in the past.
We have each sent e-mail to the domain owner to no avail.
We have each tried (and failed) to buy the domain around renewal time. (Last
time it was more than 2 weeks
after the expiration date before it was renewed).
The most important thing we can all do is to be sure to NOT include links to
the site on any of our sites. Google (and other engines) use this to help
score the page.
Unfortunately, google also appears to use time since last update as well and
that site has an auto generated "headlines" date that changes every day.
"Richard Riehle" <richard@adaworks.com> wrote in message
news:3EED5D88.56EA3591@adaworks.com...
> One of my students used AdaHome.com as a bibliographic
> reference in a recent paper turned in to me. I noted that
> AdaHome is no longer a viable source of up-to-date information
> about Ada. He corrected the reference.
>
> The problem is that AdaHome continues to be a bad choice
> for anyone trying to get current information about Ada. How
> can we correct this problem?
>
> Richard Riehle
>
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* Re: What Can We do About AdaHome.com
@ 2003-08-06 18:17 David Elliott
2003-08-06 18:28 ` Vinzent Hoefler
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From: David Elliott @ 2003-08-06 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
Slightly off topic:
As I am new to ADA, I stumbled on the AdaHome site and read through the material I could
find. With some of the comments from the threads of this subject, this is per chance not the
best site to be using.
Can someone recommend a site?
Also, I am looking for a Windows IDE. I pulled down the Windows 95/98/NT/2000 version of GNAT
http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/languages/ada/compiler/gnat/distrib/3.14p/winnt/gnat-3.14p-nt.exe
and installed it. However this is just a debugger. Can someone recommend a Windows IDE as well.
Thanks,
Dave
DavidElliott@BellSouth.net
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:02:48 -0700, in comp.lang.ada you wrote:
>One of my students used AdaHome.com as a bibliographic
>reference in a recent paper turned in to me. I noted that
>AdaHome is no longer a viable source of up-to-date information
>about Ada. He corrected the reference.
>
>The problem is that AdaHome continues to be a bad choice
>for anyone trying to get current information about Ada. How
>can we correct this problem?
>
>Richard Riehle
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* Re: What Can We do About AdaHome.com
2003-08-06 18:17 David Elliott
@ 2003-08-06 18:28 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-06 18:38 ` Brien L. Christesen
2003-08-06 18:54 ` David C. Hoos
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From: Vinzent Hoefler @ 2003-08-06 18:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
David Elliott wrote:
>As I am new to ADA,
It is Ada, not ADA. :-)
>Can someone recommend a site?
<URL:http://www.adaic.com/>
<URL:http://www.adapower.com/>
<URL:http://libre.act-europe.fr/>
>Also, I am looking for a Windows IDE.
Try GPS. The public version was just released a few days^Wweeks ago:
<URL:http://libre.act-europe.fr/gps/>.
Vinzent.
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* Re: What Can We do About AdaHome.com
2003-08-06 18:17 David Elliott
2003-08-06 18:28 ` Vinzent Hoefler
@ 2003-08-06 18:54 ` David C. Hoos
2003-08-06 23:27 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-08-09 10:52 ` Patrice Freydiere
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From: David C. Hoos @ 2003-08-06 18:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: comp.lang.ada; +Cc: David Elliott
"David Elliott" <DavidElliott@BellSouth.net> wrote in message
news:sfh2jvgrof5mgv963fvjng12kihajcb4tq@4ax.com...
> Slightly off topic:
>
> As I am new to ADA, I stumbled on the AdaHome site and read through the
material I could
> find. With some of the comments from the threads of this subject, this is
per chance not the
> best site to be using.
>
> Can someone recommend a site?
The best overall ada site is www.adapower.com.
For Ada tools, see also the great site http://libre.act-europe.fr/
For Ada advocacy, etc., see http://www.adaic.com/
>
> Also, I am looking for a Windows IDE. I pulled down the Windows
95/98/NT/2000 version of GNAT
>
http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/languages/ada/compiler/gnat/distrib/3.14p/winnt/gnat-3.14p-nt.exe
> and installed it. However this is just a debugger. Can someone recommend
a Windows IDE as well.
The latest version for Windows is at
ftp://ftp.cs.nyu.edu/pub/gnat/3.15p/winnt/
There is an IDE that has versions for both Windows and Unix at the
http://libre.act-europe.fr/ site.
For a Windows-only IDE, see
http://www.usafa.af.mil/dfcs/bios/mcc_html/adagide.html
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
> DavidElliott@BellSouth.net
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* Re: What Can We do About AdaHome.com
2003-08-06 18:17 David Elliott
2003-08-06 18:28 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-06 18:54 ` David C. Hoos
@ 2003-08-06 23:27 ` Wesley Groleau
[not found] ` <VRHYa.34$od4.31@read3.inet.fi>
2003-08-09 10:52 ` Patrice Freydiere
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From: Wesley Groleau @ 2003-08-06 23:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
>>The problem is that AdaHome continues to be a bad choice
>>for anyone trying to get current information about Ada. How
>>can we correct this problem?
Maybe put some little graphic in the upper right corner
of MANY Ada-related web pages, with
alt="About adahome.com" and have it link to a page
explaining briefly that it's obsolete, ancient,
and please don't cite it or link to it.
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* Re: What Can We do About AdaHome.com
2003-08-06 18:17 David Elliott
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2003-08-06 23:27 ` Wesley Groleau
@ 2003-08-09 10:52 ` Patrice Freydiere
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From: Patrice Freydiere @ 2003-08-09 10:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
You can also use GPS, a gnat IDE working on windows platforme
there is a free personnal Education release.
Patrice
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:17:16 +0000, David Elliott wrote:
> Slightly off topic:
>
> As I am new to ADA, I stumbled on the AdaHome site and read through the material I could
> find. With some of the comments from the threads of this subject, this is per chance not the
> best site to be using.
>
> Can someone recommend a site?
>
> Also, I am looking for a Windows IDE. I pulled down the Windows 95/98/NT/2000 version of GNAT
> http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/languages/ada/compiler/gnat/distrib/3.14p/winnt/gnat-3.14p-nt.exe
> and installed it. However this is just a debugger. Can someone recommend a Windows IDE as well.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
> DavidElliott@BellSouth.net
>
>
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:02:48 -0700, in comp.lang.ada you wrote:
>
>>One of my students used AdaHome.com as a bibliographic
>>reference in a recent paper turned in to me. I noted that
>>AdaHome is no longer a viable source of up-to-date information
>>about Ada. He corrected the reference.
>>
>>The problem is that AdaHome continues to be a bad choice
>>for anyone trying to get current information about Ada. How
>>can we correct this problem?
>>
>>Richard Riehle
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