Re: Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

Re: Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

[Grein, Christoph]

faust <urfaust@optushome.com.au> writes:

> Ada is such a wimpy name.
> Old eighteenth century woman....

1815 is in the 19th century...

Re: Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

[Wes Groleau]

>>Ada is such a wimpy name.
>>Old eighteenth century woman....
> 
> 1815 is in the 19th century...

And she never got a chance to be old.

Re: Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

[David Wright]

"Wes Groleau" <wesgroleau@despammed.com> wrote in
message
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:
: >>Ada is such a wimpy name.
: >>Old eighteenth century woman....
: >
: > 1815 is in the 19th century...
:
: And she never got a chance to be old.
:

Yes, but you've got to admit that ADA 'sounds' old;
either that or conjures up some milk producing barnyard
animal. Why not MADONNA or VANESSA (Amarosi*) ;-)  The
only reason I ever looked at Euphoria was because of
it's name.

Just kidding.

*Dubious spelling

D.W.

Re: Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

[u.r. faust]

> > Yes, but you've got to admit that ADA 'sounds' old;
> > either that or conjures up some milk producing barnyard
> 
> > animal. Why not MADONNA or VANESSA (Amarosi*) ;-)  The
> > only reason I ever looked at Euphoria was because of
> > it's name.
> >
>  Well, I don't think Grace would have been accepted at the time 

Too tame. Sounds too much like grace, hope and charity...

SLUT or NETBITCH would have been better.




-- 
natsu-gusa ya  / tsuwamono-domo-ga / yume no ato
summer grasses / strong ones       / dreams site
 
Summer grasses,
All that remains
Of soldier's dreams
(Basho trans. Stryk)

Re: Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

[David Wright]

"u.r. faust" <urfaust@optushome.com.au> wrote in
message news:bs2lyfai.fsf@optushome.com.au...
:
: > > Yes, but you've got to admit that ADA 'sounds'
old;
: > > either that or conjures up some milk producing
barnyard
: >
: > > animal. Why not MADONNA or VANESSA (Amarosi*) ;-)
The
: > > only reason I ever looked at Euphoria was because
of
: > > it's name.
: > >
: >  Well, I don't think Grace would have been accepted
at the time
:
: Too tame. Sounds too much like grace, hope and
charity...
:
: SLUT or NETBITCH would have been better.
:

Nah... why would you want to immortalize my girlfriend?
^_^

D.W.

Re: Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

[Randy Brukardt]

Dennis Lee Bieber wrote in message ...

>        Well, we do seem to be hoping for a charitable market <G>

When we first were starting out, way back in 1980, we had the problem of
naming our compiler.

I wanted to call it "Newspeak", because of the connection with the
government. I was talked out it, and we named it "Janus" instead.

              Randy Brukardt.

Re: Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

[Kaz Kylheku]

"David Wright" <davidw@uq.net.au> wrote in message news:<avopcn$q6g$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>...
> "Wes Groleau" <wesgroleau@despammed.com> wrote in
> message
> news:L4CT9.2393$c6.2552@bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com..
> .
> :
> : >>Ada is such a wimpy name.
> : >>Old eighteenth century woman....
> : >
> : > 1815 is in the 19th century...
> :
> : And she never got a chance to be old.
> :
> 
> Yes, but you've got to admit that ADA 'sounds' old;
> either that or conjures up some milk producing barnyard
> animal. Why not MADONNA or VANESSA (Amarosi*) ;-)  The
> only reason I ever looked at Euphoria was because of
> it's name.

Note that the name Vanessa was invented by Jonathan Swift, who lived
from 1667 to 1745.

Anybody in US using ADA ?

[Mr Bill]

It seems to have fallen out of favor with everybody I know.

Thanks,
Bill

Re: Anybody in US using ADA ?

[John R. Strohm]

I *THINK* that Lockheed-Martin Fort Worth is using Ada for F-22 and F-16.
You might try looking at their web sight (http://www.lmco.com) and seeing
what they are looking to hire.  (Most of their effort appears to be trawling
for resumes for  Joint Strike Fighter, which is in C++.

"Mr Bill" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> It seems to have fallen out of favor with everybody I know.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>

Re: Anybody in US using ADA ?

[Marin David Condic]

I believe Pratt & Whitney is still using Ada for engine controls. At least
some of them. As one who is working on the engines for the JSF, I can tell
you that those controls are still in Ada - for the time being. (Don't know
what will happen when they go into full scale development.)

Its a shame to see that many in the DoD arena are abandoning Ada because
"Everybody else is using C++". In this area, Ada does not tend to suffer so
much from lack of large libraries or other development enhancers since
hardware is often custom built and/or software development is not the long
pole in the tent. Here Ada's faster development time and reduced defect
characteristics can truly stand out. I'm afraid I don't know how to overcome
the "follow the crowd" mentality here. Ada has the technical edge and so
long as compilers/tools are available for the target (at a reasonable cost)
there isn't a whole lot of business/financial edge to something else (in
many cases at least). None of that tends to persuade the programmers or
their managers that they shouldn't try to be like everyone else. The only
real hope is for Ada to find its way into a significant commercial niche so
that there is a large body of "everyone else" out there to be followed.

Its hard to blame the programmers or the managers. Programmers want to have
skills that can get them a job somewhere else if Congress pulls the plug on
what they're doing - or simply want to use what they are familiar with
already. Managers don't want to be perceived as taking unnecessary risks
and - as the saying used to be - "Nobody ever got fired for picking IBM".
Similarly, management won't be fired for using tools that are "industry
standard". Nobody is going to change that position unless Ada is adopted for
some reasonably wide sector of the software market.

MDC
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John R. Strohm <strohm@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:C900921B7A3FDDD4.5FD752FF5D42F9AF.349D2214D482463F@lp.airnews.net...
> I *THINK* that Lockheed-Martin Fort Worth is using Ada for F-22 and F-16.
> You might try looking at their web sight (http://www.lmco.com) and seeing
> what they are looking to hire.  (Most of their effort appears to be
trawling
> for resumes for  Joint Strike Fighter, which is in C++.
>

Re: Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea..

[Warren W. Gay VE3WWG]

Marin David Condic wrote:
> I believe Pratt & Whitney is still using Ada for engine controls. At least
> some of them. As one who is working on the engines for the JSF, I can tell
> you that those controls are still in Ada - for the time being. (Don't know
> what will happen when they go into full scale development.)
> 
> Its a shame to see that many in the DoD arena are abandoning Ada because
> "Everybody else is using C++". In this area, Ada does not tend to suffer so
> much from lack of large libraries or other development enhancers since
> hardware is often custom built and/or software development is not the long
> pole in the tent. Here Ada's faster development time and reduced defect
> characteristics can truly stand out. I'm afraid I don't know how to overcome
> the "follow the crowd" mentality here. ...

Maybe what needs to be done is to form a brand new committee, to design
a spashy new language that basically implements the same features, with
similar syntax (but not too obviously). Then give it a splashy new name
after a popular young female (no programmer experience required), and
call it something like "Shania". Make sure it gets included in .Net, and
have the Universities preach about it and.. world domination!

;-)

Just a thought.

-- 
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg

Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

[faust]

 "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca> ,  emitted these fragments:

>Maybe what needs to be done is to form a brand new committee, to design
>a spashy new language that basically implements the same features, with
>similar syntax (but not too obviously). 

Arc is trying that now.
Paul Graham is redesigning lisp .

>Then give it a splashy new name
>after a popular young female (no programmer experience required), and
>call it something like "Shania". 

From a brief search on google ( I must apologize for my shocking
ignorance of celebrities, female or male ) "Echo and the Bunnymen" and
"Dusty Vladimir Horowitz " sound like excellent candidates :-)

-- 
natsu-gusa ya     / tsuwamono-domo-ga / yume no ato
summer grasses / strong ones          / dreams site
 
Summer grasses,
All that remains
Of soldier's dreams
(Basho trans. Stryk)

Re: Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

[Warren W. Gay VE3WWG]

faust wrote:
>  "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca> ,  emitted these fragments:
>>Maybe what needs to be done is to form a brand new committee, to design
>>a spashy new language that basically implements the same features, with
>>similar syntax (but not too obviously). 
> 
> Arc is trying that now.
> Paul Graham is redesigning lisp .

This doesn't sound like a good start to me, if it is based upon
lisp, (but keeping an open mind), do you have a link for this?

>>Then give it a splashy new name
>>after a popular young female (no programmer experience required), and
>>call it something like "Shania". 
> 
> From a brief search on google ( I must apologize for my shocking
> ignorance of celebrities, female or male ) "Echo and the Bunnymen" and
> "Dusty Vladimir Horowitz " sound like excellent candidates :-)

Well, I don't much pay attention to "popular stuff", but the following
link might explain what first came to my mind ;-)

http://www.shania-twain.com/

I can't say I know anything about "Dusty", and don't really get the
connection to "Echo and the Bunnymen". Perhaps I'm showing my
own cultural ignorance ;-)

-- 
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg

Re: Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

[Edi Weitz]

"Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca> writes:

> faust wrote:
> >  "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca> ,  emitted these fragments:
> >>Maybe what needs to be done is to form a brand new committee, to design
> >>a spashy new language that basically implements the same features, with
> >> similar syntax (but not too obviously).
> > Arc is trying that now.
> > Paul Graham is redesigning lisp .
> 
> This doesn't sound like a good start to me, if it is based upon
> lisp, (but keeping an open mind), do you have a link for this?

 <http://www.paulgraham.com/arc.html>

Re: Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

[faust]

 "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca> ,  emitted these fragments:

>> From a brief search on google ( I must apologize for my shocking
>> ignorance of celebrities, female or male ) "Echo and the Bunnymen" and
>> "Dusty Vladimir Horowitz " sound like excellent candidates :-)
>
>Well, I don't much pay attention to "popular stuff", but the following
>link might explain what first came to my mind ;-)
>
>http://www.shania-twain.com/

A Twain driver ?

>I can't say I know anything about "Dusty", and don't really get the
>connection to "Echo and the Bunnymen". 

I am not sure who they are either.
They just sounded like the most unmarketable names :-)

Ada is such a wimpy name.
Old eighteenth century woman....

-- 
natsu-gusa ya     / tsuwamono-domo-ga / yume no ato
summer grasses / strong ones          / dreams site
 
Summer grasses,
All that remains
Of soldier's dreams
(Basho trans. Stryk)

Re: Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

[Fraser Wilson]

faust <urfaust@optushome.com.au> writes:

> Ada is such a wimpy name.
> Old eighteenth century woman....

I don't follow.

Fraser.
(but just in case, my new language is going to be called Butch, after a
twenty-first century truck driver)

Re: Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

[Geoffrey Summerhayes]

"Fraser Wilson" <newsfraser@blancolioni.org> wrote in message
news:u1y3lmqud.fsf@FWILSON.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-shoot-me...
> faust <urfaust@optushome.com.au> writes:
>
> > Ada is such a wimpy name.
> > Old eighteenth century woman....
>
> I don't follow.
>

The first programmer to suffer from major hardware problems :-)

http://www.mathnews.uwaterloo.ca/BestOf/WomenInMath7103.html

---
Geoff

Re: Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..)

[Fraser Wilson]

"Geoffrey Summerhayes" <sumNOSPAMrnot@hotmail.com> writes:

> The first programmer to suffer from major hardware problems :-)

Oh, I know that, but I couldn't follow the logic from eighteenth [sic]
century woman to wimpy.

An anonymous troll with a wanky pseudonym, that's wimpy.

Fraser.