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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Practicalities of Ada for app development
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:55:36 +0200
Date: 2012-06-12T09:55:36+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <uun3cl2g15d3$.18fa2fjhdq4y1.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4fd65a15$0$9507$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:50:33 +0200, Georg Bauhaus wrote:

> Reason: numeric literals typically mean a number of some "arithmetic"
> type.

No, a numeric literal means what it tells "a number."

> U+number is similar to the explicit checking of units (and possibly
> values) in
> 
>    Some_Time_Object :=  45 * Seconds;
>
> presented in Barnes's book.

Technically Barnes is not quite right. A correct expression should be:

   Some_Duration_Object := 45.0 * s;

1. 45.0 is floating-point;
2. You cannot multiply time, you do durations (time intervals);
3. "s" or "second" is the proper name of the unit.

http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de/ada/units.htm

> When using U+number, the checks are performed by one subprogram ("+").

Code points are numbers, not dimensioned numbers. Dimensioned numbers form
a structure different from one of the code points. You are confusing type
and dimension. Dimension is one characteristic of some types, e.g. a
constraint, but not every type is dimensioned.

> A different design might (but need not) require checking in many places.
> U+number feels a bit like using a "constructor" for literals.

Literal per definition cannot be a constructor. Its name reveals that:
literal is denotes a value, e.g. a number, "literally." Furthermore,
literal is a syntactic notion (expression term), while constructors are
related to the program semantics (create objects from raw memory).

Anyway, the point stands: in a properly typed languages you need no special
forms of literals. I guess that U+n stems from C-ish nL, nU etc. These are
syntactic inventions necessary in C because the language is incapable to
resolve ambiguity using the result type. C is bottom up. Ada is not bottom
up. You can overload numeric literals in almost any context in Ada. So you
don't need silly tricks like U+n.

>> BTW, as practice shows, code points are used rarely and almost always as an
>> argument for conversion to a UTF-8 string.
> 
> OK. I imagine, though, that most US programming styles will suggest not to
> write non-7-bit source text. When I need a UTF-8 encoded literal PI, wouldn't
> I then need to write something like the following?
> 
>   PI : constant UTF_8_String :=
>     Character'Val (16#CF#)
>   & Character'Val (16#80#)
>   & Character'Val (16#0A#);

No. The proper way to do this is:

   UTF8_Pi : constant String := Image (16#0C30#);

http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de/ada/strings_edit.htm#Strings_Edit.UTF8

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



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2012-06-08 20:48 Practicalities of Ada for app development wrp
2012-06-08 21:35 ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-06-09  0:40   ` Adam Beneschan
2012-06-09  6:38     ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-06-21 17:14       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-21 18:16         ` Adam Beneschan
2012-06-21 19:18           ` J-P. Rosen
2012-06-21 20:30             ` Adam Beneschan
2012-06-21 21:09               ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-22  4:59                 ` Simon Wright
2012-06-22  5:32                   ` Tero Koskinen
2012-06-22 19:51                     ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-21 21:15               ` J-P. Rosen
2012-06-22 10:43               ` Tero Koskinen
2012-06-21 21:00           ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-21 21:18             ` J-P. Rosen
2012-06-22 19:55               ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-23  6:43                 ` J-P. Rosen
2012-06-09  4:30   ` BrianG
2012-06-09  7:11   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-13 10:20   ` quiet_lad
2012-06-09  6:55 ` gautier_niouzes
2012-06-09  7:04 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-09  9:25 ` Nomen Nescio
2012-06-09  9:36   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-10  3:46     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-12 20:10     ` i3text
2012-06-13  7:55       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-21 17:21         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-13 10:28     ` quiet_lad
2012-06-13 13:07       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-09 16:09   ` tmoran
2012-06-13 10:29     ` quiet_lad
2012-06-09 23:18   ` darkestkhan
2012-06-10  3:56     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-10 14:04     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-10 16:51       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-10 17:00         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-10 17:18           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-10 19:33             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-10 21:36               ` Nomen Nescio
2012-06-11  8:22                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-11 14:27                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-11 14:43                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-11 16:19                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-06-11 18:38                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-11 17:14                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-11 18:38                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-11 20:50                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-11 21:43                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-12  7:55                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2012-06-12  9:48                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-12 11:44                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-12 12:17                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-12 12:18                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-11 18:29                 ` Adam Beneschan
2012-06-11 19:16                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-06-11 21:47                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-21 17:39                     ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-21 17:34                   ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-10 18:15       ` darkestkhan
2012-06-10 19:25         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-11  6:34         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-06-21 17:41         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-10 15:49   ` Shark8
2012-06-10 17:04     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-10 19:47       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-11  0:37         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-06-11  8:37           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-12  6:24             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-12  7:59               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-13 10:35         ` quiet_lad
2012-06-13 13:09           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-14  3:21             ` quiet_lad
2012-06-14  7:58               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-14  8:39                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-14  9:26                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-21 17:51                   ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-11  0:00     ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-06-11  3:23       ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-06-11 21:10         ` Nomen Nescio
2012-06-11 21:55           ` Adam Beneschan
2012-06-12  8:07             ` Nomen Nescio
2012-06-12 15:28               ` Fritz Wuehler
2012-06-12 21:34                 ` Nomen Nescio
2012-06-14 11:12                   ` Nomen Nescio
2012-06-21 18:01                   ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-12 21:12             ` Nomen Nescio
2012-06-13  0:04               ` Adam Beneschan
2012-06-13  3:04                 ` Shark8
2012-06-13  8:21                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-13 18:21                     ` Shark8
2012-06-13 19:11                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-13 22:01                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-14  8:02                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-14  9:10                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-14  9:33                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-21 18:10                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-13  8:35                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-13  8:37                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-13 10:14                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-11 22:49           ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-06-13 10:31     ` quiet_lad
2012-06-13 12:57       ` Maciej Sobczak
2012-06-14  4:18         ` quiet_lad
2012-06-14  7:35           ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-06-14 10:02             ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-12 19:17 ` i3text
2012-06-12 19:52 ` Vadim Godunko
2012-06-27 18:39 ` Eryndlia Mavourneen
2012-06-27 18:46 ` Eryndlia Mavourneen
2012-06-28 13:23   ` Simon Wright
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