* Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
@ 2002-05-20 22:13 Sune Falck
2002-05-21 13:57 ` Ted Dennison
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Sune Falck @ 2002-05-20 22:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
The mingw project www.mingw.org has made available prebuilt
gcc 3.1 core, gcc 3.1 Ada, binutils and other support files at
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435
Sune Falck
PS A simple test showed that gcc Ada had problems finding the
system files - maybe because I had installed in a nonstandard
location.
Defining ADA_INCLUDE_PATH and ADA_OBJECTS_PATH pointing
to the library files solked the problem and a simple hello world
program compiled and run without any problems.
C:\data\msys>set
ADA_INCLUDE_PATH=c:\data\msys\lib\gcc-lib\mingw32\3.1\adainclude
C:\data\msys>set
ADA_OBJECTS_PATH=c:\data\msys\lib\gcc-lib\mingw32\3.1\adalib
C:\data\msys>PATH c:\data\msys\bin;%path%
C:\data\msys>gnatmake -v -f atest
GNATMAKE 3.1 (20020501) Copyright 1995-2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
gcc -c atest.adb
End of compilation
gnatbind -x atest.ali
gnatlink atest.ali
C:\data\msys>atest
Hello from Ada
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* Re: Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
2002-05-20 22:13 Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows Sune Falck
@ 2002-05-21 13:57 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-21 14:09 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-21 15:05 ` John R. Strohm
2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Ted Dennison @ 2002-05-21 13:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
"Sune Falck" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<TxeG8.8178$p56.2336358@newsb.telia.net>...
> Defining ADA_INCLUDE_PATH and ADA_OBJECTS_PATH pointing
> to the library files solked the problem and a simple hello world
> program compiled and run without any problems.
FWIW: My old 3.13p installation on this machine (I haven't used it in
a while) has the following registry keys:
1)
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Ada Core Technologies\GNAT
with a value named "ROOT" of type REG_SZ set to "C:\GNAT"
2)
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Ada Core Technologies\GNAT\Standard
Libraries\
with a value named "WIN32" of type REG_SZ set to
"C:\GNAT\Bindings\Win32Ada"
You might try setting these keys to see if the need for those
environment variables goes away.
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* Re: Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
2002-05-20 22:13 Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows Sune Falck
2002-05-21 13:57 ` Ted Dennison
@ 2002-05-21 14:09 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-21 15:05 ` John R. Strohm
2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Ted Dennison @ 2002-05-21 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
"Sune Falck" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<TxeG8.8178$p56.2336358@newsb.telia.net>...
> The mingw project www.mingw.org has made available prebuilt
> gcc 3.1 core, gcc 3.1 Ada, binutils and other support files at
>
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435
Before anyone gets too excited, note this line from the description:
---
This is a beta. If you want a stable release, use gcc-2.95-3.
---
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* Re: Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
2002-05-21 15:05 ` John R. Strohm
@ 2002-05-21 14:12 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-21 14:35 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-05-21 14:31 ` Michal Nowak
1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Stephen Leake @ 2002-05-21 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
"John R. Strohm" <strohm@airmail.net> writes:
> Stupid question.
>
> The files are all packed up in .tar.gz GZIP archives.
>
> What is an appropriate Windows utility for opening them? Where can I get
> it?
WinZip, www.winzip.com, $29 lifetime license (free upgrades).
Cygwin, http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
provides command line tar and gzip
--
-- Stephe
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* Re: Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
2002-05-21 15:05 ` John R. Strohm
2002-05-21 14:12 ` Stephen Leake
@ 2002-05-21 14:31 ` Michal Nowak
1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Michal Nowak @ 2002-05-21 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
On 2002-05-21 at 08:05 John R. Strohm wrote:
>Stupid question.
>
>The files are all packed up in .tar.gz GZIP archives.
>
>What is an appropriate Windows utility for opening them? Where can I get
>it?
A bit search on google gave me http://www.gzip.org/. There I noticed:
"To extract .tar and .tar.gz files on Windows 9x/NT/2000/ME/XP use
PowerArchiver 6.1 (freeware) or Winzip (commercial)."
Link to PowerArchiver given there is http://www.sfsu.edu/ftp/win/utils/
Hope that helps a bit,
Mike
"In the world of machines, virtual machines,
dominated by software ...
... a new culture is born"
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* Re: Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
2002-05-21 14:12 ` Stephen Leake
@ 2002-05-21 14:35 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-05-21 17:35 ` chris.danx
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From: Jean-Pierre Rosen @ 2002-05-21 14:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
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"Stephen Leake" <stephen.a.leake.1@gsfc.nasa.gov> a �crit dans le message news: uptzplhe6.fsf@gsfc.nasa.gov...
> > What is an appropriate Windows utility for opening them? Where can I get
> > it?
>
> WinZip, www.winzip.com, $29 lifetime license (free upgrades).
>
> Cygwin, http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
> provides command line tar and gzip
>
Or PowerArchiver (http://www.powerarchiver.com), a free WinZip clone
--
---------------------------------------------------------
J-P. Rosen (rosen@adalog.fr)
Visit Adalog's web site at http://www.adalog.fr
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* Re: Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
2002-05-20 22:13 Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows Sune Falck
2002-05-21 13:57 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-21 14:09 ` Ted Dennison
@ 2002-05-21 15:05 ` John R. Strohm
2002-05-21 14:12 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-21 14:31 ` Michal Nowak
2 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: John R. Strohm @ 2002-05-21 15:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
Stupid question.
The files are all packed up in .tar.gz GZIP archives.
What is an appropriate Windows utility for opening them? Where can I get
it?
If I actually succeed in getting things working, I'll write up the procedure
and the list of necessary files.
"Sune Falck" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:TxeG8.8178$p56.2336358@newsb.telia.net...
> The mingw project www.mingw.org has made available prebuilt
> gcc 3.1 core, gcc 3.1 Ada, binutils and other support files at
>
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435
>
> Sune Falck
>
> PS A simple test showed that gcc Ada had problems finding the
> system files - maybe because I had installed in a nonstandard
> location.
>
> Defining ADA_INCLUDE_PATH and ADA_OBJECTS_PATH pointing
> to the library files solked the problem and a simple hello world
> program compiled and run without any problems.
>
> C:\data\msys>set
> ADA_INCLUDE_PATH=c:\data\msys\lib\gcc-lib\mingw32\3.1\adainclude
> C:\data\msys>set
> ADA_OBJECTS_PATH=c:\data\msys\lib\gcc-lib\mingw32\3.1\adalib
> C:\data\msys>PATH c:\data\msys\bin;%path%
> C:\data\msys>gnatmake -v -f atest
>
> GNATMAKE 3.1 (20020501) Copyright 1995-2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> gcc -c atest.adb
> End of compilation
> gnatbind -x atest.ali
> gnatlink atest.ali
>
> C:\data\msys>atest
> Hello from Ada
>
>
>
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* Re: Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
2002-05-21 14:35 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
@ 2002-05-21 17:35 ` chris.danx
2002-05-22 2:29 ` Steve Doiel
2002-05-23 5:35 ` John R. Strohm
2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: chris.danx @ 2002-05-21 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
"Jean-Pierre Rosen" <rosen@adalog.fr> wrote in message
news:acdlv1$ovg$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net...
>
> > Cygwin, http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
> > provides command line tar and gzip
> >
> Or PowerArchiver (http://www.powerarchiver.com), a free WinZip clone
Or Ultimatezip www.ultimatezip.com, another free winzip like utility
Chris
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* Re: Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
2002-05-21 14:35 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-05-21 17:35 ` chris.danx
@ 2002-05-22 2:29 ` Steve Doiel
2002-05-22 7:23 ` Pascal Obry
2002-05-23 5:35 ` John R. Strohm
2 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Steve Doiel @ 2002-05-22 2:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
"Jean-Pierre Rosen" <rosen@adalog.fr> wrote in message
news:acdlv1$ovg$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net...
>
[snip]
> Or PowerArchiver (http://www.powerarchiver.com), a free WinZip clone
>
According to the web site powerarchiver is shareware not free. Which makes
a difference if you plan commercial use.
SteveD
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> J-P. Rosen (rosen@adalog.fr)
> Visit Adalog's web site at http://www.adalog.fr
>
>
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* Re: Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
2002-05-22 2:29 ` Steve Doiel
@ 2002-05-22 7:23 ` Pascal Obry
2002-05-22 12:11 ` John English
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Pascal Obry @ 2002-05-22 7:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
"Steve Doiel" <nospam_steved94@attbi.com> writes:
> "Jean-Pierre Rosen" <rosen@adalog.fr> wrote in message
> news:acdlv1$ovg$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net...
> >
> [snip]
> > Or PowerArchiver (http://www.powerarchiver.com), a free WinZip clone
> >
> According to the web site powerarchiver is shareware not free. Which makes
> a difference if you plan commercial use.
V 6.10 is free. It turn out that I was looking for a free WinZip like tool
with command line support... I found the answer in comp.lang.ada :)
Thanks,
Pascal.
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* Re: Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
2002-05-22 7:23 ` Pascal Obry
@ 2002-05-22 12:11 ` John English
2002-05-22 14:17 ` martin.m.dowie
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: John English @ 2002-05-22 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
Pascal Obry wrote:
>
> "Steve Doiel" <nospam_steved94@attbi.com> writes:
>
> > "Jean-Pierre Rosen" <rosen@adalog.fr> wrote in message
> > news:acdlv1$ovg$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net...
> > >
> > [snip]
> > > Or PowerArchiver (http://www.powerarchiver.com), a free WinZip clone
> > >
> > According to the web site powerarchiver is shareware not free. Which makes
> > a difference if you plan commercial use.
>
> V 6.10 is free. It turn out that I was looking for a free WinZip like tool
> with command line support... I found the answer in comp.lang.ada :)
There doesn't seem to be an English version of 6.1 (only Lithuanian,
Italian, Dutch and French). Anyone know where there's an English
version?
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* Re: Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
2002-05-22 12:11 ` John English
@ 2002-05-22 14:17 ` martin.m.dowie
0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: martin.m.dowie @ 2002-05-22 14:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
"John English" <je@brighton.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:3CEB8AEE.9F33F8F5@brighton.ac.uk...
[snip]
> There doesn't seem to be an English version of 6.1 (only Lithuanian,
> Italian, Dutch and French). Anyone know where there's an English
> version?
you could try http://www.oldversion.com/files/powarc61.exe - it doesn't
explicitly state is it the english version, but the rest of the site is in
english! :-)
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* Re: Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
2002-05-21 14:35 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-05-21 17:35 ` chris.danx
2002-05-22 2:29 ` Steve Doiel
@ 2002-05-23 5:35 ` John R. Strohm
2002-05-23 10:42 ` John R. Strohm
2 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: John R. Strohm @ 2002-05-23 5:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Progress report.
I pulled down various tarballs (actually, .tar.gz balls), and I pulled down
PowerArchiver. I've installed MinGW, and I've done the basic C "Hello,
World" exercise.
"Jean-Pierre Rosen" <rosen@adalog.fr> wrote in message
news:acdlv1$ovg$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net...
>
> "Stephen Leake" <stephen.a.leake.1@gsfc.nasa.gov> a �crit dans le message
news: uptzplhe6.fsf@gsfc.nasa.gov...
> > > What is an appropriate Windows utility for opening them? Where can I
get
> > > it?
> >
> > WinZip, www.winzip.com, $29 lifetime license (free upgrades).
> >
> > Cygwin, http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
> > provides command line tar and gzip
> >
> Or PowerArchiver (http://www.powerarchiver.com), a free WinZip clone
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> J-P. Rosen (rosen@adalog.fr)
> Visit Adalog's web site at http://www.adalog.fr
>
>
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* Re: Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
2002-05-23 5:35 ` John R. Strohm
@ 2002-05-23 10:42 ` John R. Strohm
2002-05-23 19:04 ` John R. Strohm
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: John R. Strohm @ 2002-05-23 10:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Comment. I'm running Windows 98 SE (or some such). Our old DOS friend
autoexec.bat works for setting environment variables and PATH. I initially
used the old MS-DOS editor to edit autoexec.bat, then I switched to Edwin
(an Emacs clone from the MIT Scheme distribution).
This is actually looking like it is going to work.
As I type this, I'm pulling down the gcc 3.1 source tarball, just for
general culture.
As an aside, a friend of mine was looking for a C/C++ toolset. He's also
done Ada, back in the days when we were both working at TI Defense. I plan
to send him a copy of the results of all this fun.
"John R. Strohm" <strohm@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:02D6ADD6175DB7B3.1C5346C846F32263.434342A3404AA72C@lp.airnews.net...
> Progress report.
>
> I pulled down various tarballs (actually, .tar.gz balls), and I pulled
down
> PowerArchiver. I've installed MinGW, and I've done the basic C "Hello,
> World" exercise.
>
> "Jean-Pierre Rosen" <rosen@adalog.fr> wrote in message
> news:acdlv1$ovg$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net...
> >
> > "Stephen Leake" <stephen.a.leake.1@gsfc.nasa.gov> a �crit dans le
message
> news: uptzplhe6.fsf@gsfc.nasa.gov...
> > > > What is an appropriate Windows utility for opening them? Where can
I
> get
> > > > it?
> > >
> > > WinZip, www.winzip.com, $29 lifetime license (free upgrades).
> > >
> > > Cygwin, http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
> > > provides command line tar and gzip
> > >
> > Or PowerArchiver (http://www.powerarchiver.com), a free WinZip clone
> >
> > --
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > J-P. Rosen (rosen@adalog.fr)
> > Visit Adalog's web site at http://www.adalog.fr
> >
> >
>
>
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* Re: Prebuilt version of gcc 3.1 with Ada as an additional package for windows
2002-05-23 10:42 ` John R. Strohm
@ 2002-05-23 19:04 ` John R. Strohm
0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: John R. Strohm @ 2002-05-23 19:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Progress report: It apparently works.
Approximate procedure for installing gcc3.1 with the prebuilt GNAT Ada95
compiler
1. Obtain a dearchiver that knows how to deal with .tar.gz tarballs. I
used PowerArchiver 7.02.08 from http://www.powerarchiver.com
2. Download the following tarball from http://www.mingw.org
mingw-1.0.1-20010726.tar.gz
3. Download the following tarballs from
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435.
gcc-3_1-core-20020516-1.tar.gz
gcc-3_1-Ada-20020516-1.tar.gz
bunutils-2_12_90-20020518-1.tar.gz
mingw-runtime-2.0-20020430.tar.gz
4. Create a new MinGW directory: I used c:\mingw.
5. If you are running Windows 95/98/NT/2000, now is a good time to increase
your environment space allocation.
Under Windows 95/98, see
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q230205 for the gory
details.
Under Windows NT/2000, see
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q158141 for the gory
details.
6. Add c:\mingw\bin to your path. Under Windows 98, edit autoexec.bat.
(And you thought Win95 was a new operating system...)
7. Reboot your PC, to make the environment and path changes operative.
8. Unpack these tarballs into the new directory, IN THE ORDER LISTED ABOVE.
mingw-1.0.1-20010726.tar.gz
9. Verify the basic functionality by typing "gcc -v". See
http://www.mingw.org for more about this.
10. Create a C "Hello world" program. Compile and link it, using "gcc -o
hello hello.c". Execute it by typing "hello".
11. Unpack these tarballs into your MinGW directory.
gcc-3_1-core-20020516-1.tar.gz
gcc-3_1-Ada-20020516-1.tar.gz
bunutils-2_12_90-20020518-1.tar.gz
mingw-runtime-2.0-20020430.tar.gz
12. Define the symbol ADA_INCLUDE_PATH in autoexec.bat as
c:\mingw\lib\gcc-lib\mingw32\3.1\adainclude
13. Define the symbol ADA_OBJECTS_PATH in autoexec.bat as
c:\mingw\lib\gcc-lib\mingw32\3.1\adalib
14. Create an Ada95 "Hello, world" procedure, and compile/link/execute it
using gnatmake.
gnatmake -v -f atest
"John R. Strohm" <strohm@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:5E094997146C7741.0FB80E038D2768EF.1E05937DD68AE7CE@lp.airnews.net...
> Comment. I'm running Windows 98 SE (or some such). Our old DOS friend
> autoexec.bat works for setting environment variables and PATH. I
initially
> used the old MS-DOS editor to edit autoexec.bat, then I switched to Edwin
> (an Emacs clone from the MIT Scheme distribution).
>
> This is actually looking like it is going to work.
>
> As I type this, I'm pulling down the gcc 3.1 source tarball, just for
> general culture.
>
> As an aside, a friend of mine was looking for a C/C++ toolset. He's also
> done Ada, back in the days when we were both working at TI Defense. I
plan
> to send him a copy of the results of all this fun.
>
> "John R. Strohm" <strohm@airmail.net> wrote in message
> news:02D6ADD6175DB7B3.1C5346C846F32263.434342A3404AA72C@lp.airnews.net...
> > Progress report.
> >
> > I pulled down various tarballs (actually, .tar.gz balls), and I pulled
> down
> > PowerArchiver. I've installed MinGW, and I've done the basic C "Hello,
> > World" exercise.
> >
> > "Jean-Pierre Rosen" <rosen@adalog.fr> wrote in message
> > news:acdlv1$ovg$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net...
> > >
> > > "Stephen Leake" <stephen.a.leake.1@gsfc.nasa.gov> a �crit dans le
> message
> > news: uptzplhe6.fsf@gsfc.nasa.gov...
> > > > > What is an appropriate Windows utility for opening them? Where
can
> I
> > get
> > > > > it?
> > > >
> > > > WinZip, www.winzip.com, $29 lifetime license (free upgrades).
> > > >
> > > > Cygwin, http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
> > > > provides command line tar and gzip
> > > >
> > > Or PowerArchiver (http://www.powerarchiver.com), a free WinZip clone
> > >
> > > --
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > J-P. Rosen (rosen@adalog.fr)
> > > Visit Adalog's web site at http://www.adalog.fr
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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