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From: Stephen Leake <stephen.a.leake.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: FAQ and string functions
Date: 14 Aug 2002 16:29:51 -0400
Date: 2002-08-14T20:39:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <uofc518w0.fsf@gsfc.nasa.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3D4EA1AC.80D17170@s <wccofc6b66u.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com

Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com> writes:

> "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com> writes:
> 
> > I think your missing the Ada philosophy that something expensive should
> > look expensive. An unbounded array (as you put it) is going to be
> > expensive, and that expensive shouldn't be covered up in glossy syntax.
> 
> IMHO, that philosophy is exactly the opposite of what high-level
> languages are all about.  The parts of Ada that disobey this philosophy
> are the better parts.
> 
> Here's an example: In Ada, one can write "A := B;".  If they are
> integers, it's fast.  If they are gigantic arrays, it could be a million
> times slower, or more.  That's good -- assignment uses a single notation
> no matter how fast or slow.  Contrast with C, where copying arrays uses
> a different syntax from copying ints.

That's not a fair example. For assignment, the cost is clearly
proportional to the size of the data, which is easily visible in the
source.

Hidden memory allocation is not clearly visible (because it's hidden
:), but is expensive.

A more valid example of hidden expense for assignment is a Controlled
type; Finalize and Adjust could be expensive. But even there, the
definition of the type clearly says "Controlled", so you are warned
that it might be expensive.

-- 
-- Stephe



  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-08-14 20:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-30  6:32 FAQ and string functions Oleg Goodyckov
2002-07-30  8:52 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-07-30 13:48 ` Ted Dennison
2002-07-31  4:52   ` Brian May
2002-08-01 16:09     ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-02  0:21       ` Brian May
2002-08-02  1:56         ` tmoran
2002-08-02 13:59         ` Ted Dennison
2002-07-31  7:46   ` Oleg Goodyckov
2002-07-31  9:04     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2002-07-31  9:39       ` Pascal Obry
2002-07-31 15:06         ` Oleg Goodyckov
2002-07-31 16:50       ` Oleg Goodyckov
2002-07-31 20:16     ` Simon Wright
2002-07-31 20:56       ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-01  0:11         ` Darren New
2002-08-01  1:08           ` tmoran
2002-08-01  9:25           ` Brian May
2002-08-01 11:20           ` Oleg Goodyckov
2002-08-01 15:43             ` Darren New
2002-08-01 21:37               ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-03  0:42                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-03 13:51                   ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-03 16:43                   ` Darren New
2002-08-05 13:37                   ` Stephen Leake
2002-08-02  8:01               ` Oleg Goodyckov
2002-08-02 16:09                 ` Darren New
2002-08-01 11:09         ` Oleg Goodyckov
2002-08-01 14:08           ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-08-01 15:06             ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-01 16:05             ` Oleg Goodyckov
2002-08-01 14:57         ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-07-31 22:04     ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-07-31 15:23       ` Oleg Goodyckov
2002-08-01 21:57         ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-01 13:10           ` Oleg Goodyckov
2002-08-02 23:29             ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-02 16:35               ` Oleg Goodyckov
2002-08-05 11:50                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-08-05 14:29                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-05 14:57                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-08-05 15:12                   ` Oleg Goodyckov
2002-08-05 16:20                   ` Darren New
2002-08-05 17:01                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-08-05 17:48                       ` Darren New
2002-08-05 19:06                         ` tmoran
2002-08-05 20:08                           ` Darren New
     [not found]                     ` <slrnakv3q9.p2.lutz@taranis.iks-jena.de>
     [not found]                       ` <3D4FEFCB.3B74F5E5@san.rr.com>
2002-08-14  0:07                         ` Randy Brukardt
2002-08-01 14:29     ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-01 16:47       ` Oleg Goodyckov
2002-08-02 14:05         ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-02 16:11           ` Darren New
2002-08-03  0:30             ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-03  0:58               ` Darren New
2002-08-03  2:04                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-08-03  2:32                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-03  2:47                   ` Darren New
2002-08-03 12:41                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-03 16:53                       ` Darren New
2002-08-04  1:08                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-04 16:23                           ` Darren New
2002-08-05  2:16                             ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-05  3:45                               ` Darren New
2002-08-05  9:56                     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2002-08-05 16:02                       ` Darren New
2002-08-14  0:42                         ` Randy Brukardt
2002-08-14  1:45                           ` Darren New
2002-08-14 19:37                             ` Randy Brukardt
2002-08-14 20:25                               ` Stephen Leake
2002-08-14 20:22                           ` Stephen Leake
2002-08-15 19:24                             ` Randy Brukardt
     [not found]                         ` <jb1vkustkugeutalhvrhv1n0k9hqn2fpip@4ax.com>
     [not found]                           ` <3D4FF351.8F4A6C0A@san.rr.com>
2002-08-14  1:03                             ` Randy Brukardt
2002-08-14  1:05                       ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                       ` <3D4EA1AC.80D17170@s <wccofc6b66u.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-08-14 20:29                         ` Stephen Leake [this message]
2002-08-26 17:53                           ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-26 18:40                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-08-26 18:52                               ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-26 21:46                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-08-05 13:29                     ` Stephen Leake
2002-08-03  5:07                   ` achrist
2002-08-03 12:52                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-05 15:34                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-05 13:24                 ` Stephen Leake
2002-08-05 16:02                   ` Darren New
2002-08-05  7:18           ` Oleg Goodyckov
2002-08-02  1:04     ` tmoran
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