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From: David Bolen <db3l@fitlinxx.com>
Subject: Re: Grace and Maps (was Re: Development process in the Ada community)
Date: 24 Apr 2002 15:38:25 -0400
Date: 2002-04-24T15:38:25-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <uit6gj39q.fsf@ctwd0143.fitlinxx.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: uhem1m47l.fsf@gsfc.nasa.gov

Stephen Leake <stephen.a.leake.1@gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:

> But if I just declare a map in Python, there's no way it's guaranteed
> to be best case. So I think you are saying "yes, they live with the
> O(n) worst case, and hope for the O(1) best case, and take whatever
> they actually get".

Yes.  But it's also that a good deal of implementation effort has gone
into making the odds of the O(1) case much better than that of the
O(n) case.

> Hmm. Maybe there is a way to tell Python what the hash table size
> should be, and what hash function to use? Then I can get O(1). I
> confess to never having used either a Perl or Python map.

Python automatically maintains (grows) the hash table so that it is no
more than 2/3 full.  It is limited to a 32-bit key, and is
open-addressed, not chained.  Any "hashable" object in Python may be
used as a dictionary key - objects may implement their own hashing
function if they prefer.  The default hashing function for user
created objects is to hash to the object's location in memory.  The
built-in types tend to have type-specific tuned hashing functions.
The source indicates the algorithm was originally based on Algorithm D
from Knuth Vol. 3, Sec. 6.4.

> Well, the question is, is a "typical" map in Perl or Python "close to"
> O(n), or "close to" O(1)? Anybody have any data?

In Python it's expected to be average O(1), and only extremely rarely
O(n) (e.g., if everything hashes to the same value).  But formally the
operations are still O(n) - a lot of tuning over the course of
Python's evolution just makes the typical case much closer to best
than worst.  In particular, Python's hash table does not depend on the
randomness of the hashing function, and in fact works very well for
very regular (even monotonically increasing) hash functions.

There are some newsgroup posts over the years (look for stuff by Tim
Peters in particular), but I don't know of a formal algorithm analysis
online anywhere.  The dictionary object source itself has quite a bit
of information:

   http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/python/python/dist/src/Objects/dictobject.c?rev=HEAD

(Hoping this isn't too off-topic for an Ada group)

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-- David
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2002-04-10 16:33 Development process in the Ada community Michael Erdmann
2002-04-10 23:28 ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-11  4:53   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11  7:34     ` Petter Fryklund
2002-04-11 16:39       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11  8:37     ` Eric G. Miller
2002-04-11 13:27       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-12 12:33         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-12 12:56           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-12 23:59         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 17:26       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 10:41     ` Martin Dowie
2002-04-11 16:50       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 18:21         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-12  4:43           ` tmoran
2002-04-12 11:13             ` Claw thick bindings to sockets (was: Development process in the Ada..) Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-12 17:22               ` tmoran
2002-04-12 21:24                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-12 23:18                   ` tmoran
2002-04-12 23:19           ` Development process in the Ada community tony
2002-04-12 23:52           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-15 14:35             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-11 20:26       ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-11 12:38     ` Jim Rogers
2002-04-11 16:48       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 18:09       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-11 18:26         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 21:05           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-11 22:26           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-12 13:13             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-15 14:28               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-15 17:53                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-12  8:35           ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-12 14:37             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-12 15:44               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-11 21:14 ` Rant! (was) " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-11 23:20   ` tony
2002-04-12  0:55     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-12  1:21       ` Pat Rogers
2002-04-12 15:57       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-12 22:20         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-12 21:02       ` --off topic " tony
2002-04-12 23:52         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-14 10:57           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-14 22:17             ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-12 14:57     ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-12 23:12       ` tony
2002-04-12 10:10   ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-12 11:11     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-12 23:18       ` tmoran
2002-04-12 17:22     ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-12 17:38       ` Mário Amado Alves
2002-04-12 18:29       ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-13  3:30     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-13 10:12       ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-13 13:21         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-13 13:39           ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-13 14:12             ` Gary Scott
2002-04-13 14:20         ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-13 16:03           ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-15 15:03             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16  8:30               ` Frank
2002-04-21 11:35                 ` Michal Nowak
2002-04-16 15:43               ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-16 16:53                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17  6:16                   ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-17 12:55                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17  7:50                   ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-17 12:01                     ` Gary Scott
2002-04-17 13:29                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 18:40                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 15:02                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 15:28                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 13:29                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 19:31                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-18 14:15             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 18:35               ` Paranoia about .NET (still): " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 21:43                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-19 11:49                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-19 23:34                   ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-19 23:14                 ` rc211v
2002-04-20  3:00                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-23 17:27                   ` Wish List : Ada95 to FOX Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-23 19:24                     ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 19:30                     ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-26 22:06                     ` rc211v
2002-04-24  0:00                   ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                   ` <3CC5997E.4 <3CC5F5B0.DBC6A6B8@boeing.com>
2002-04-24  8:47                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-04-24 15:15                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16  1:41           ` Rant! (was) Development process in the Ada community Richard Riehle
2002-04-16 19:40             ` [OT] MS vs Linux vs who in the student heart? (still mostly): " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17  2:09               ` Adrian Hoe
2002-04-12 21:17   ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-13  0:23   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13 22:07     ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-14  8:01       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 10:24         ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-14 10:26           ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-14 11:41           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 12:48             ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-14 13:42               ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-17  3:13           ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-17 13:19             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-14 14:44         ` Gary Scott
2002-04-14 15:44           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 15:54         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-14 16:33           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 21:46             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-15 15:39             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16 16:34               ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-16 17:28                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 17:02                   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-17 21:09                     ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17 21:25                       ` Darren New
2002-04-17 23:14                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17 23:24                           ` Darren New
2002-04-18  4:34                             ` Eric G. Miller
2002-04-18 14:08                               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 18:34                                 ` Al Reynolds
2002-04-18 19:15                                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 20:03                                 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-18 20:45                                 ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-18  4:42                             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 13:16                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 13:54                               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 18:25                                 ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 19:05                                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 21:41                                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 17:12                           ` Pascal Obry
2002-04-15 15:11           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-15 15:28           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16 16:53             ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-16 17:49               ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-16 17:57               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 14:04               ` Bill Tate
2002-04-18 14:45                 ` Gary Scott
2002-04-18 20:12                   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-18 20:09                 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13  0:59   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-13  7:38     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13  7:46 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13 13:24   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-13 16:01     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13 17:18       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-13 19:02         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13 21:34           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-14  8:28             ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 16:00               ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-13 22:24         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-14  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-15  3:03             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-14  3:04           ` Gary Scott
2002-04-15  3:00             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-16  2:37               ` Gary Scott
2002-04-14  8:51 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14  9:52   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-14 10:37     ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-14 11:50     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 20:41   ` tmoran
2002-04-15 14:45     ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-15 15:59       ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-15 19:45       ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-17 16:29         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 22:30           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-21  5:56             ` David Botton
2002-04-21  7:13               ` tmoran
2002-04-21 21:14                 ` David Botton
2002-04-22 21:46                   ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-23  4:47                     ` GPL and the big picture (was Re: Development process in the Ada community) David Botton
2002-04-23  5:11                       ` David Botton
2002-04-24 19:52                       ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-21 11:02               ` Development process in the Ada community Adrian Hoe
2002-04-21 21:21                 ` David Botton
2002-04-15 22:02       ` tmoran
2002-04-17 16:55         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 17:15           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-17 18:01             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 19:22               ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-21  5:35                 ` David Botton
2002-04-21  5:34               ` David Botton
2002-04-18  5:12             ` Eric G. Miller
2002-04-18 13:31               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-19  2:50                 ` Eric G. Miller
2002-04-21  5:33             ` David Botton
2002-04-17  3:25       ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-17  5:07         ` Open Source: in conflict with the development process in the Ada community? Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17 10:14           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-17 13:20             ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 14:06           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-19 14:20             ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-19 16:04               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-22 13:44                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-19 23:48               ` How Open Source software developers pay the bills, from within a successful such operation (was): " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-20 16:41                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-20 18:08                   ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-21  0:38                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21  1:44                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 16:06                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-23 12:44                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-23 20:48                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-23 23:50                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-20  6:28               ` tmoran
2002-04-20  6:53                 ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-20 11:53                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-04-20 13:14                     ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-20 14:50                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-04-21 11:13                       ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-21 21:23                         ` Darren New
2002-04-22 13:42                         ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 16:11                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 16:07                   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 13:53         ` Development process in the Ada community Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 14:50           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-18 15:43             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-19  5:23               ` Simon Wright
2002-04-22 15:41                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 17:58         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 20:39           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-17 20:54             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 15:43               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 22:18           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-18 15:39             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-19  3:16               ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-20  5:56                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-20 16:30                   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-20 18:31                     ` tmoran
2002-04-20 21:32                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22  0:30                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-22 13:40                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 14:27                           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 17:40                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 17:48                             ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21  0:57                       ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21  5:23                         ` tmoran
2002-04-21 15:59                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21 17:47                             ` tmoran
2002-04-21  1:03                       ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21  9:07                         ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-22 15:11                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-23 15:38                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-23 16:03                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 19:41                     ` tmoran
2002-04-21  0:28                       ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-21  0:33                         ` Jason King
2002-04-22 15:22                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-23  4:09                           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-23  5:30                             ` Simon Wright
2002-04-26 18:25                               ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-29 14:44                                 ` Shared generics Hyman Rosen
2002-04-29 19:47                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-23 13:28                             ` Development process in the Ada community Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 21:16                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-15 17:19     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 18:09       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 20:42         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16  8:29     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-16 13:31       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16 17:46       ` tmoran
2002-04-17  3:34         ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-17 12:11           ` John English
2002-04-15 16:29 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-16 11:28   ` Martin Dowie
2002-04-16 13:38     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 18:36   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 20:14     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-18 16:00       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 17:32         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-18 17:48           ` Grace and Maps (was Re: Development process in the Ada community) Marin David Condic
2002-04-19 13:29             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-19 14:23               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 13:42                 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-20 19:54                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 13:21                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 19:12                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-22 13:40                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 19:49                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-21  1:33                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-21  5:49                     ` Simon Wright
2002-04-21  8:55                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-21 18:49                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-21 20:17                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22  0:36                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-22  5:20                       ` Simon Wright
2002-04-22 13:34                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 16:16                           ` Darren New
2002-04-22 22:31                         ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                         ` <4519e058.0204220534.2eb33730@posting.go <3CC48F34.5A474E0F@boeing.com>
2002-04-22 23:26                           ` Darren New
2002-04-23  2:15                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-23  4:57                               ` Darren New
2002-04-23  7:10                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-23 14:52                                   ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 19:08                                   ` Darren New
2002-04-24 12:22                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 13:53                                       ` Darren New
2002-04-24 15:02                                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 15:25                                           ` Darren New
2002-04-24 15:39                                             ` Darren New
2002-04-24 19:32                                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 19:58                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 19:14                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-24 20:01                                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 20:09                                               ` Darren New
2002-04-23 12:49                                 ` Alan Reynolds
2002-04-23 16:46                                   ` Darren New
2002-04-23 18:55                                     ` Alan Reynolds
2002-04-23  6:26                               ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-23  2:38                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-23 18:57                             ` Anders Gidenstam
2002-04-23  2:32                           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-23 23:46                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-24 15:01                               ` Darren New
     [not found]                         ` <4519e058.0204220534.2eb33730@posting.go <3CC4E9DA.E02BE0DA@san.rr.com>
2002-04-23  5:21                           ` Simon Wright
2002-04-23  7:37                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-23 22:33                             ` David Bolen
2002-04-24  6:42                               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2002-04-24 18:18                                 ` David Bolen
2002-04-25  7:40                                   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2002-04-25 22:23                                     ` David Bolen
2002-04-24 17:25                         ` Jeffrey Carter
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2002-04-24 17:48                           ` Darren New
2002-04-24 23:12                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-25  0:11                               ` Darren New
2002-04-24 19:51                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
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2002-04-26  5:27                           ` Simon Wright
2002-04-22 13:31                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 14:15                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-22 23:59                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-22 14:37                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-22 18:44                     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-23  2:18                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-23 14:46                     ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 17:50                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-23 18:27                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-24 14:20                         ` John English
2002-04-24 15:05                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-26  5:41                           ` Simon Wright
2002-04-23 18:59                       ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 19:13                         ` Darren New
2002-04-23 19:26                           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 19:44                             ` Darren New
2002-04-24 16:49                               ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-24 17:10                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-25 12:30                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-25 13:35                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-27  8:57                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-29 14:57                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-29 15:07                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-29 15:10                                         ` Darren New
2002-04-25 16:44                                   ` Darren New
2002-04-25 17:05                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-26 16:31                                       ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-29 15:06                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-30 17:16                                           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-30 18:31                                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-26 17:16                                       ` Darren New
2002-04-26 17:53                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-28  0:09                                           ` Darren New
2002-04-25 17:44                                   ` Stephen Leake
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2002-04-30  4:49                                     ` Simon Wright
2002-04-30 14:05                                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-30 14:32                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-02 15:52                                           ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-01 22:17                                         ` Simon Wright
2002-04-24 17:25                                 ` Darren New
2002-04-24 19:36                                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
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2002-04-24 21:57                                   ` Stephen Leake
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2002-04-27  5:29                             ` Simon Wright
2002-04-29 15:16                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-27 14:37                           ` Larry Kilgallen
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2002-04-29 15:26                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-21  5:46                   ` Simon Wright
2002-04-21 18:44                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 14:31                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-25  2:29                 ` Brian Gaffney
2002-04-25 14:06                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20  0:42             ` David Bolen
2002-04-22  2:57               ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 22:58                 ` David Bolen
2002-04-18 18:50           ` [OT] Focusing on tools you know in programming libraries. (was): Development process in the Ada community Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 18:57           ` Data!, was " tmoran
2002-04-18 20:51           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 21:28             ` Gary Scott
2002-04-18 22:10               ` Pascal Obry
2002-04-18 23:08                 ` Darren New
2002-04-19 13:29                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20  3:04                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-18 22:28             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-19 10:07               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-19 10:13                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-20  5:12             ` Simon Wright
2002-04-19 11:00           ` John English
2002-04-19 16:45             ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-18 20:28         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-17 23:31     ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-17 18:04 ` Outside view (still): " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17 19:10   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-17 22:15   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 23:20     ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18  1:19       ` Pat Rogers
2002-04-18  4:53         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18  5:40         ` Simon Wright
2002-04-19 13:22           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18  8:25         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-04-18  2:12       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-18  5:03         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 12:50           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-18 14:34             ` Gary Scott
2002-04-18 13:43           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18  4:21       ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-18  4:59         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 14:44           ` new Ada language features needed? Stephen Leake
2002-04-18 14:07         ` Outside view (still): Development process in the Ada community Marin David Condic
2002-04-19 17:39           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-19 18:58             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 17:35               ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-22 17:57               ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 19:46                 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-22 20:24                   ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-23  4:54                     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-23 20:37                       ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-25 17:29                         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-27  8:26 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-27 23:54   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-28 14:18     ` Michael Erdmann
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