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From: Pascal Obry <pascal@obry.org>
Subject: Re: Feasibility of using Ada in new development
Date: 05 Sep 2004 10:27:16 +0200
Date: 2004-09-05T08:27:19+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <uhdqdjf2z.fsf@obry.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5ad0dd8a.0409040738.3fff41b8@posting.google.com


wojtek@power.com.pl (Wojtek Narczynski) writes:

> Unfortunately, the world is a bit more complex, with billions lines of
> existing code, customers that don't share Ada enthusiasm, not to
> mention library code voids.

Bindings ?

> But let me give you a few examples:
> - For linux kernel development I'd use C, because otherwise I'd have
> zero chances to commit my work.

I agree about this one.

> - For a web e-commerce site I'd use WebObjects (now Java, but I
> prefered it in Obj-C), because it will be the quickest to develop.

I'll use AWS, quite simpler and way quickest to develop with it.

> - Even the most Ada-centric company in the world uses tons of legacy C
> code, and I don't think they will rewrite it in Ada any soon. Of
> course, that code is causing them a lot of problems, but would you
> call their business decision to stay with it, wrong?

Rewrite certainly not, that will be stupid, but building binding when needed
is certainly a safe path in the long run.

> - (vicious) There's also a company that is pursuing a subset of Ada,
> with annotations. Are they wrong, should they switch to full Ada and
> drop their annotations?
> - (vicious) Would you use Ada instead of VDM or Z?

As you said: vicious :)

> Final example, I am sincerely interested in the resolution, you may
> perceive it as a challenge for an Ada zealot:
> - http://state-threads.sourceforge.net/ how would you do this in Ada
> (thread = task)? http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/681845.html describes why
> I would want this.
> 
> I really don't know wether to start a six months and up, high risk,
> project to modify the GNAT runtime, or just use this library in C.

Why modify the GNAT runtime. This is a library right ? Ada with tasks,
protected object is certainly in a good position to propose something.
Maybe starting with AWS is a good idea...

Pascal.

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-05  8:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-23 18:27 Feasibility of using Ada in new development Robert Law
2004-08-23 19:05 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-23 19:09 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-24  0:06 ` Florian Weimer
2004-08-24  1:31 ` Stephen Leake
2004-08-24  3:59 ` Adrian Hoe
2004-08-24  4:13 ` Steve
2004-08-24 11:09   ` Phong Ho
2004-08-24 11:40     ` Jeff C,
2004-08-24 20:25       ` Robert Law
2004-08-25 21:05         ` Dan McLeran
2004-08-26  2:42           ` John B. Matthews
2004-08-26 11:49           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-26 19:31             ` Dan McLeran
2004-08-26 20:04               ` Simon Wright
2004-08-27 12:47               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-27 21:08                 ` Dan McLeran
2004-08-28  0:28                   ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-01  4:09                     ` Adrian Hoe
2004-09-01  4:07                   ` Adrian Hoe
2004-09-01 14:14                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-01 15:30                       ` Ed Falis
2004-09-05 20:50                         ` Florian Weimer
2004-09-05 21:27                           ` Ed Falis
2004-08-26 18:15           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-28 17:57             ` Dan McLeran
2004-08-28 18:37               ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-30 17:06                 ` Dan McLeran
2004-08-30 18:00                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-30 18:55                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-31 17:11                     ` Dan McLeran
2004-08-31 17:46                       ` stephane richard
2004-08-31 19:19                         ` Björn Persson
2004-09-01 12:32                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-01 14:35                             ` Björn Persson
2004-09-02 15:18                         ` Dan McLeran
2004-09-02 22:03                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-03 14:56                             ` Dan McLeran
2004-09-03 18:09                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-03 23:42                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-04 15:06                                 ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-04 18:31                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-05  8:18                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-07  8:32                                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-07  8:57                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 12:26                                       ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-08 13:07                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-31 18:12                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-31 18:14                         ` stephane richard
2004-08-31 20:09                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-02  8:56                             ` Martin Dowie
2004-09-02 16:23                               ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-03  8:30                                 ` Martin Dowie
2004-09-03 18:04                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-02 15:11                             ` Dan McLeran
2004-09-02 16:17                               ` Code completion Björn Persson
2004-09-02 17:42                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-02 19:29                               ` Feasibility of using Ada in new development Simon Wright
2004-09-03 14:57                                 ` Dan McLeran
2004-08-26  9:52         ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-03  7:14         ` Case Crab
2004-09-03 12:21           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-25  1:08     ` Puckdropper
2004-08-25  6:02       ` Adrian Hoe
2004-08-25  8:12         ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-25 12:54         ` Florian Weimer
2004-08-24 23:01 ` Luke A. Guest
2004-08-26 17:17   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-08-31  6:22 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-01  4:04   ` Adrian Hoe
2004-09-04 15:38     ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-05  8:27       ` Pascal Obry [this message]
2004-09-05 11:54         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-05 12:18           ` State Threads (was: Feasibility of using Ada in new development) Björn Persson
2004-09-05 13:13             ` State Threads Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-06 13:15               ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-06 14:28                 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-06 18:24                   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-07  0:23                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-07  8:13                       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-07 10:03                         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-07 10:08                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-07 15:20                       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-06 16:23                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07  8:01                   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-07  9:16                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 12:38                       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-08 13:26                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-06 12:19           ` Feasibility of using Ada in new development Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-06 17:56         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-06 20:52           ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-07  8:40             ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-07 23:59           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-08  9:10             ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-09  1:12               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-09 10:26                 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-09 21:46                   ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-06  3:11       ` Adrian Hoe
2004-09-06  8:17         ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-06 12:31         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-06  7:36       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-06 15:32         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-07 23:51       ` Randy Brukardt
     [not found] <20040903083525.4DDF94C4137@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-09-03 10:17 ` Andrew Carroll
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2004-09-07  7:27 Robert C. Leif
2004-09-07 12:51 ` Ed Falis
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2004-09-08 12:24 ` Stephen Leake
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