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Monday, December 9, 2002



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Carving up 10 anti-war arguments at holiday gatherings

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Posted: December 9, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern



By Michael Medved



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� 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

In the midst of this joyous holiday season we will all enjoy a series of
family and social gatherings sure to provide festive food, abundant
libations and freewheeling political rants. It could be your Uncle Murray or
perhaps your sister-in-law Fawn, but this year one or more members of your
clan will inevitably offer some indignant objection to the upcoming war
against Iraq. Here, as a public service, we present a handy guide to the
top-10 arguments against that war, and the most direct and effective ways to
counter them.



1. War never solved anything.

Not true - war has successfully solved many (if not most) of the major
problems and dangers in history. What "solved" Hitler? Negotiation,
compassion, psychoanalysis? No, the willingness of Churchill and Roosevelt
to slaughter as many Germans as necessary before we achieved regime change
in Berlin. Decisive, crushing victories (like World War II) lead to
long-term solutions (like the utter transformation of Germany and Japan),
while indecisive and hesitant outcomes (World War I, the Gulf War) often
lead to further struggle and instability.


2. We have no right to attack Saddam because our aid made him powerful and
he once functioned as our ally.

Not true, and not even vaguely relevant. During the Cold War, Iraq was a
client state of the Soviet Union, not the United States, and Saddam has
always been outspoken in his Marxist, anti-Western fulminations. It's true
that the U.S. foreign-policy establishment tilted toward Iraq in its bloody
war against Iran, but only because the Islamic fanaticism of the Iranians
represented a more direct, immediate danger to the United States. Suggesting
that fleeting cooperation some 20 years ago means that we have no right to
oppose Iraq today makes no sense whatever. We provided massive military and
financial support to Stalin during his desperate battle against Hitler. Does
that mean that we had no moral right to oppose the aggressive designs of the
Soviet Union when it turned against us within months of the conclusion of
the world war?


3. It's all about oil.

Not really, but so what? Are we supposed to ignore the fact that our whole
economy, and therefore our national security, depends upon imported oil? Why
is it even theoretically inappropriate to fight in order to ensure the
continued delivery of a substance so essential to our survival and
independence? Meanwhile, Saddam's psychotic and despotic regime would
represent a profound danger to the world even if he controlled no oil assets
whatever. The United States imports almost none of its petroleum from Iraq,
but our European "allies" (the French, in particular) get a great deal of
their energy from that country - and therefore ardently oppose the idea of
waging war. On this issue, it's the appeasers - not the hard-liners - who
are "all about oil."


4. Instead of planning war we should be developing alternate energy sources
to lessen our dependence on oil from the Middle East.

Sure, it's a good idea to secure new energy supplies - beginning with the
long overdue drilling of the fertile oil fields contained in 4 percent of
the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve. Meanwhile, the fond visions of
windmills and solar panels solving our national addiction to that nasty
black goo will do nothing to change our immediate economic or strategic
situation. Even the most visionary and optimistic views of "renewable"
energy development indicate that these emerging technologies can play a
significant role only some 10 or 20 years in the future - by which time
regime change in Iraq will have surely occurred in any event, due to the
eagerly awaited demise of the mustachioed megalomaniac.


5. If we make war on Iraq, it will only enrage the Arab world and provoke
even more terrifying assaults by terrorists.

The logic behind this assumption is that our enemies don't really hate us
yet, but that if we dare to harm Saddam, they'll just go nuts. As a matter
of fact, it's hard to understand how much more hostile you can feel once
you've already declared (as Osama did in 1998) that every American, civilian
or military, adult or child, richly deserves to die. The truth is that our
enemies don't hate us for what we do, they hate us for who we are. The
"don't get the crazy Arabs mad" argument rests upon the premise that their
fury arises in reaction to some action or policy of the United States,
rather than as an expression of their own self-destructive insanity and
suicidal evil.


6. The U.S. is no better than Saddam because we've murdered some 1.5 million
Iraqi children with our sanctions.

At times, leftists offer this same argument using the figure of 500,000
Iraqi children, or 2 million Iraqi children, or whatever other number sounds
good at the moment. It's a stupid lie - contradicted by reports of the
United Nations - and simply shows that whoever repeats it serves as an
unpaid but loyal propagandist for Saddam. The U.N. has repeatedly reported
(as recently as last month) that the Iraqi standard of living and health
care has been going up, not down, for the last several years - in part
because of the "Oil for Food" program administered as part of the sanctions
regime.

Starvation remains a problem in that country - not because of a lack of
resources or trade, but because of the deliberate and cruel policies of an
evil regime. The magical mystery tours of Saddam's palaces by the United
Nations inspectors demonstrate that the problem for Iraq isn't a lack of
wealth, but a misallocation of wealth by a monstrous kleptocracy. In one of
the dictator's palaces, all eight walls of an entrance hall were decorated
with verses of poetry in praise of Saddam, inlaid in solid gold.


7. There is no connection between Islamic terrorists and the Saddam Hussein
regime.

This statement represents one of the few examples of anti-war activists
disagreeing with the official line of the Iraqi government. That line
emphasizes the proud support of the heroic and revolutionary Iraqi people
for Islamic fighters everywhere, including the holy warriors of al-Qaida.
Meanwhile, the al-Qaida crew similarly expresses its solidarity with
Saddam - as they did in their Internet statement (widely validated by
intelligence agencies in the West) claiming credit for the recent Kenya
attacks, and linking future assaults to potential war against their friends,
the Iraqis. If Iraq expresses solidarity with al-Qaida, and al-Qaida
expresses solidarity with Iraq, peaceniks face a difficult challenge in
arguing that they represent utterly disconnected phenomena.


8. All the talk of war against Iraq has caused us to lose focus on the war
against terrorism.

Even if the president of the United States happens to focus on Iraq in his
speeches, that doesn't mean that the several hundred thousand Americans who
have been dedicated since Sept. 11 to rooting out Islamic terror suddenly
gave up or pulled back on their efforts. If our military and
counter-terrorist capabilities don't allow us to simultaneously combat a
gang of murderous thugs like al-Qaida and a fourth-rate military power like
Iraq, then we have been even more tragically weakened by eight years of
Clinton defense cuts than even the gloomiest conservatives assumed.


9. If we go ahead with war against Iraq, it will represent a betrayal of our
values and mark the first time in history that we attacked another country
that never attacked us first.

Only those with a truly pathetic public-school education could believe such
rubbish, since we fought the War of 1812, the Mexican War, the Spanish
American War, World War I, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, our campaigns in
Bosnia and Kosovo, and many lesser engagements - all with no direct attack
on the United States. Great powers face great threats - and dangerous
enemies. Why would a war prove easier or more appropriate after Saddam
develops, or uses, nuclear weapons - rather than before he's completed such
deadly development?


10. Iraq is no military pushover and we will suffer appalling losses in any
war we launch.

No credible military analysts agree with this assessment, and the peaceniks
don't believe it either. After all, some of the same "activists" issued the
same dire warnings about imminent disaster before the first Gulf War, not to
mention our recent efforts in Afghanistan. According to any impartial
analysis, the Iraqi military is vastly less powerful than it was at the time
of the prior Gulf War, and our capabilities - including our
mission-appropriate high tech weaponry - make us much better prepared than
we were last time.



The truth is that for many of the critics of Bush administration policy, the
real fear (as some of them actually admit) isn't a bloody American defeat
but a swift, relatively painless U.S. victory. Their belief is that it's a
bad thing for the world if America becomes even more powerful, more
dominant, in the Middle East and around the globe. They're dead wrong, of
course - all humanity - especially the 200 million Arabs who suffer under
the fanatical oppression of their own regimes - will benefit from a sweeping
U.S. victory and an increase in American influence.


With these brief but logical ripostes, you should feel prepared for even the
most contentious holiday gathering, and feel ready to carve up any
sanctimonious Uncle Murray along with the goose or turkey. Merry Christmas!








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2002-11-26 21:03 New Ada compiler for .NET Martin Carlisle
2002-11-26 21:28 ` Pascal Obry
2002-11-26 22:23   ` Jerry van Dijk
2002-11-27  8:30     ` Pascal Obry
2002-11-28 11:39       ` Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-28 17:56         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-11-28 22:21           ` Pascal Obry
2002-11-29  8:22             ` Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-27 12:48   ` Gautier
2002-11-27 17:31   ` Ted Dennison
2002-11-27 18:37     ` chris.danx
2002-11-27 18:39       ` chris.danx
2002-11-28  2:46     ` Robert C. Leif
2002-11-28 18:03       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-11-29 20:25         ` Robert C. Leif
2002-11-30 14:00           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-01 19:02           ` Richard Riehle
2002-12-02 23:01             ` Adam Kingsl
2002-12-03  0:27               ` Iran, was " tmoran
2002-12-05 11:15               ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-05 18:45                 ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-05 19:06                   ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-06 12:52                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-12-06 14:47                     ` Safety Group
2002-12-06 20:04                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-12-07 15:43                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-12-05 20:01                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 13:18                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 15:08                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 15:35                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 16:19                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 16:34                           ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-06 18:10                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 15:39                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 16:27                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 17:02                           ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 18:13                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 15:51                       ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-06 16:41                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 16:46                           ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-06 18:16                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-21 17:40                   ` faust
2002-12-22  1:40                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23  7:39                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23 11:09                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-23 14:39                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-05 20:52                 ` OT Hatred (was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET) Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-05 23:06                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-06 20:22                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-12-07 15:18                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-09  6:36                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10  4:33                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-10 14:46                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 21:49                           ` Michal Nowak
2002-12-10 22:14                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-13 22:17                               ` Michal Nowak
2002-12-16  4:58                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-19 19:12                                   ` Michal Nowak
2002-12-11  3:56                             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-11  4:24                               ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-11 19:48                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-12  4:49                                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-12  5:11                                     ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-13 23:00                                       ` chris.danx
2002-12-15 15:54                                         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-16  2:25                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-12 16:53                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-13 19:29                                 ` Programmer Dude
2002-12-11 14:28                               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-11 12:57                           ` John English
2002-12-11 14:52                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-13 22:49                               ` chris.danx
2002-12-16  4:53                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-17 13:03                                   ` John English
2002-12-17 16:31                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-18 17:13                                       ` John English
2002-12-18 19:03                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-19 17:32                                           ` tmoran
2002-12-19 22:35                                           ` Michael Bode
2002-12-19 23:15                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-20  0:17                                             ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-21 22:08                                               ` Michael Bode
2002-12-22  1:46                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-24 15:35                                                 ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-25  8:14                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-20  1:48                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-06  3:28                   ` Smooth Sailor
2002-12-06  8:56                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-12-06 12:57                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 15:52                         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-06 15:52                           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 14:57                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-06 16:26                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-12-07  0:31                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-07  4:57                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-07  4:57                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-07  7:06                         ` Eric G. Miller
2002-12-09  5:11                           ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09  4:24                             ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-09  5:48                             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09  5:54                               ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 20:41                                 ` Ed Cogburn
2002-12-10  3:17                                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-10  2:44                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 10:12                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-10 14:37                                     ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-16 15:02                                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-16 22:41                                     ` Ed Cogburn
2002-12-17  2:48                                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 16:17                               ` P S Norby
2002-12-09 13:37                             ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-07 19:07                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-08  0:09                           ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-09  5:43                             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 17:09                               ` P S Norby
2002-12-10 13:03                                 ` Robert Kaiser
2002-12-10 14:58                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 17:49                                     ` Robert Kaiser
2002-12-10 18:28                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-16  8:58                                         ` Robert Kaiser
2002-12-09 17:47                               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-09 17:53                                 ` P S Norby
2002-12-09 17:56                                 ` P S Norby [this message]
2002-12-09 20:22                                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-09 21:07                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10  8:51                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-12-10 14:48                                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-09 20:20                                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-09 20:46                                   ` Ed Cogburn
2002-12-09 22:13                                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-10  3:18                                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 21:11                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-07 23:08                         ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-09 13:36                       ` OT [Recipe against] " Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-09 14:43                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-11  9:11                     ` OT " Thierry Lelegard
2002-12-11 14:50                       ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-11 14:54                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-21 17:32                 ` New Ada compiler for .NET faust
2002-12-22  1:49                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-22  3:52                     ` Ed Falis
2002-12-22 22:51                     ` faust
2002-12-22  4:48                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23  1:33                         ` faust
2002-12-22  6:48                           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23  6:29                             ` faust
2002-12-23  5:59                     ` Hillel Y. Sims
2002-12-21 17:33                 ` Chomsky ( was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET) faust
2002-11-28 11:41     ` New Ada compiler for .NET Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-28 12:32       ` John English
2002-11-28 14:36         ` Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-28 14:26           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-11-29  3:00           ` Moe
2002-11-28 14:06     ` Preben Randhol
2002-11-28 15:12     ` Marin David Condic
2002-11-28 16:26       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-01  0:27         ` tmoran
2002-12-01 13:22           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-02 17:19             ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-02 23:46               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-03 19:42                 ` separating Politics from Reality Wes Groleau
2002-12-04 15:23                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-11-27  3:23 ` New Ada compiler for .NET Richard Riehle
2002-11-28 15:19   ` Marin David Condic
2002-11-29  2:23     ` Richard Riehle
2002-11-27  4:02 ` William J. Thomas
2002-11-27  4:19 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2002-11-28  9:01 ` Ingo Marks
2002-12-17 10:00   ` Martin Dowie
2002-12-17 13:57     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-12-17 19:46       ` Martin Dowie
2002-12-17 21:00         ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2002-12-17 22:32           ` Martin Dowie
2002-11-28 16:45 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-12-01  9:25   ` Martin Dowie
2003-01-04 18:43 ` Michael Erdmann
     [not found] <mailman.1039527664.31015.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org>
2002-12-10 13:50 ` OT Hatred (was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET) Preben Randhol
2002-12-10 16:03   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 16:28   ` Georg Bauhaus
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-03-02  3:57 OT Hatred (was Re: New Ada Compiler " Adrian Hoe
2003-03-02  3:46 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-11  5:35 ` Karel Miklav
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