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From: Stephen Leake <stephen.a.leake.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Implementing C/C++ style #include...
Date: 26 Mar 2001 13:19:45 -0500
Date: 2001-03-26T18:34:11+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <u7l1cgzpa.fsf@gsfc.nasa.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 99nkte$157$1@nh.pace.co.uk

"Marin David Condic" <marin.condic.auntie.spam@pacemicro.com> writes:

> I guess I've just seen it done enough different ways that work as well or
> better that I don't really see any necessity for a preprocessor to do this
> job. Managing different configurations can be handled with package body
> substitution, static elimination of code via normal "if" statements, pragma
> Debug, available configuration management tools, etc. 

Not this one:

   function Ada_Size_Of_Input is new 
      Interfaces_C_More.Storage_Unit_Size_Of (Input_Type);
#if GNAT_Compiler
   pragma Export (C, Ada_Size_Of_Input,
                  "ball_ct633_ada_size_of_input",  
                  "ball_ct633_ada_size_of_input");
#elsif ObjectAda_Compiler
   pragma Export (DLL_STDCALL, Ada_Size_Of_Input, 
                  "ball_ct633_ada_size_of_input", 
                  "ball_ct633_ada_size_of_input");
#end if;

The difference is in the name of the Convention. Preprocessing is, in
this case, the best way to handle it. I believe the only alternative
is to reproduce the entire package spec, and change this one value.
Surely you do not claim that is better from a maintenance point of
view? 

I can only assume you have not personally encountered a situation like
this. Until you have, you need to be a little more open :).

There are similar examples of needing to support a mix of Ada 83/95,
compiler vendors, and targets, where limited, structured,
well-designed use of pre-processing is the best way to go.

> As a result, I think that trying to include special pre-processor
> directives in the source and going through an extra pre-compilation
> step (fraught with peril!) is unnecessary and potentially dangerous.

"potentially dangerous" yes, just like Unchecked_Conversion and
Unchecked_Deallocation. "unecessary" no, just like
Unchecked_Conversion and Unchecked_Deallocation!

> 
> (Try looking at some older C code that may have very convoluted
> "#include" chains, etc. if you need an example of how dangerous this
> can get.) I've never once seen a case where you could accomplish
> some goal with a preprocessor that you couldn't accomplish with a
> less error prone technique. 

Have you seen the above case?

> So why ask for the trouble?

I'm not asking for "trouble", I'm asking for "expressive power".
"Trouble" I can handle with coding guidelines and project discipline.

Note that the gnat preprocessor does _not_ define "include", only
"if". And it does _not_ define macros.

-- 
-- Stephe



  reply	other threads:[~2001-03-26 18:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-13 18:37 Better support for garbage collection Nick Roberts
2001-03-14  8:16 ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-14 18:52   ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-14 19:40     ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-15 13:18       ` Nick Roberts
2001-03-14 19:29 ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-14 20:59   ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-16 16:42     ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-17  6:13       ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-03-24  4:08       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-15  4:35   ` Nick Roberts
2001-03-15 21:37     ` Randy Brukardt
2001-03-15 22:36     ` Stephen Leake
2001-03-16 16:26     ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 16:59       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-16 17:31         ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 18:29           ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-17  2:30           ` Nick Roberts
2001-03-17 21:59             ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-17 22:57             ` Static typing (Was Re: Better support for garbage collection) Brian Rogoff
2001-03-17 23:45               ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-18  0:58                 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-19 15:24                   ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-20  4:21                     ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-21  1:32                       ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-21 13:28                         ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-22  2:08                           ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-22 16:40                             ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-25 16:21                               ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-25 16:56                                 ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-25 22:31                                 ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-27  0:24                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-28 23:15                                     ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-29  5:02                                       ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-29  6:13                                         ` David Starner
2001-03-29 10:10                                           ` AG
2001-03-29 14:28                                           ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-29 23:46                                         ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-30  3:41                                           ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-30 21:21                                             ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-31 19:30                                               ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-02 15:27                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2001-04-02 23:29                                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-30 21:29                                             ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-30  9:16                                           ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-03-30  9:51                                             ` Florian Weimer
2001-04-02  8:54                                               ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-03-30 16:13                                             ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-02 11:00                                               ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-03-30 20:44                                             ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-04-02 11:29                                               ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-04-02 13:15                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2001-04-03  8:57                                                   ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-03-27  2:39                             ` Andrew Berg
2001-03-27  3:33                               ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-27 14:23                                 ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-27 23:36                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-29 23:50                       ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-19 18:24       ` Better support for garbage collection Tucker Taft
     [not found]   ` <87bsr46kxv.fsf@deneb.enyo.de>
2001-03-15 14:18     ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-15 16:36       ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-14 22:05 ` Laurent Guerby
2001-03-16 16:47   ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 19:46     ` Laurent Guerby
2001-03-16 20:10       ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-17 13:14         ` Support for per allocation pool selection (was: Better support for garbage collection) Laurent Guerby
2001-03-17 17:06           ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-17 19:19           ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-17 21:10             ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-15 17:56 ` Better support for garbage collection Ray Blaak
2001-03-21 16:15 ` Implementing C/C++ style #include bhazzard
2001-03-21 16:45   ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-22 15:13     ` Ira D. Baxter
2001-03-22 15:23       ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-25 15:45         ` Anton Gibbs
2001-03-26 14:24           ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-26 15:00             ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-26 14:49           ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-26 18:19             ` Stephen Leake [this message]
2001-03-26 18:44               ` Pascal Obry
2001-03-26 21:44                 ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-27  3:02                   ` Andrew Berg
2001-03-27  3:27                     ` Phaedrus
2001-03-27 17:41                   ` Pascal Obry
2001-03-26 19:18               ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-27 18:51                 ` Anton Gibbs
2001-03-26 19:35               ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-26 23:04                 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-03-27 14:38                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-26 16:12           ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-26 17:34             ` David Starner
2001-03-26 22:25               ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-27  3:29                 ` David Starner
2001-03-26 18:23             ` Stephen Leake
2001-03-26 22:34               ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-27  7:34         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-03-27 12:43           ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-03-27 14:40             ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-27 15:01             ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-27 13:20           ` Preben Randhol
2001-03-23 17:39       ` Wes Groleau
2001-03-21 18:07   ` Mark Lundquist
2001-03-22 12:50   ` Chris M. Moore
2001-03-22 14:30     ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-22 21:15       ` singlespeeder
2001-03-22 21:42         ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-23 14:43           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-03-23 18:51             ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-22 15:02     ` Pat Rogers
2001-03-22 15:28       ` Marin David Condic
2001-03-22 16:32       ` Chris M. Moore
2001-03-22 16:57       ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-26 16:13   ` Martin Dowie
2001-03-26 22:55   ` Phaedrus
2001-03-27  1:36     ` tmoran
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