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From: "Matthew Heaney" <mheaney@on2.com>
Subject: Re: why not
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:51:51 -0500
Date: 2001-10-31T10:51:51-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <tu07apsr9hcp78@corp.supernews.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: tu014vtnua0j60@corp.supernews.com


"David Botton" <David@Botton.com> wrote in message
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> For that reason something like STL (which I am a heavy user of for many
> years) which in its very design is prone to buggy implementations,
difficult
> to maintain and easily misused by programmers will likely never be
> standardized as part of Ada.

Ada needs as part of its standard library a minimal set of data structures.
It doesn't have to be as elaborate as the STL.  At a minimum something like
an STL list, parameterized with an item type that is nonlimited and
definite.  I wouldn't even miss the algorithm part of the STL -- but we do
need the data structures.

I agree with David that there is a culture difference between Ada and C++.
For example, in C++ I can do this:

void f()
{
   typedef std::list<int> intlist_t;

   intlist_t::iterator iter;

   {
      intlist_t intlist;
      intlist.push_front(0);
      ...
      iter = intlist.begin();
   }

   int i = *iter;  //ouch!
}

Among C++ programmers, you would probably just be told "don't do this"
(which is OK by me -- I happen to like the STL).  But in the Ada culture we
would try to design a component such that this scenario couldn't happen (or
at least have a run-time error of some kind).

So it's not clear that components exactly like the STL would ever be adopted
by the standards commitee.

An Ada STL would probably look something like this:

procedure Op is
   List : aliased Integer_Lists.List_Type;
begin
   ...
   declare
      Iter : Integer_Lists.Iterator_Type (List'Access);
   begin
      ...
   end;
...
end Op;








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Thread overview: 315+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-07 19:31 is Ada dying? Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-07 19:42 ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-07 21:03   ` robert
2001-10-08 16:42     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 17:33     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09  8:02       ` Reinert Korsnes
2001-10-08  8:56   ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 21:53     ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-09  8:13       ` John McCabe
2001-10-09  9:12         ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-09 10:39           ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 11:48             ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-09 12:58             ` Peter Amey
2001-10-09 14:51         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10  8:08           ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 13:12       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 14:40     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10  8:13       ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 17:45         ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-11  8:38           ` John McCabe
2001-10-07 20:09 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-07 20:56   ` Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-08 23:49   ` Poul-Erik Andreasen
2001-10-09  8:19     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-09 13:38     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 14:50       ` Robert*
2001-10-09 16:05         ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 20:30         ` Al Christians
2001-10-09 20:32           ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-10 17:04           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-10 17:02         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-10 19:14           ` Robert*
2001-10-07 20:09 ` David Botton
2001-10-08  0:46   ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-08  1:23     ` David Botton
2001-10-08  4:02       ` Robert*
2001-10-08  4:49         ` James Rogers
2001-10-08  5:42           ` Navid Azimi
2001-10-08  6:11             ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08 16:49               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08  9:26             ` John English
2001-10-08 14:37             ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 17:05             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08  6:09           ` Robert*
2001-10-08 15:35             ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 17:02               ` Robert*
2001-10-08 18:06                 ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-08 18:44                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09  3:42                   ` minyard
2001-10-12 14:21                     ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-13 17:18                       ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-08 18:17                 ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 18:42                   ` David Starner
2001-10-11  9:22                     ` AG
2001-10-08 19:22                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-09  3:11                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09  4:28                     ` tmoran
2001-10-09  4:54                       ` Robert*
2001-10-09  6:23                         ` tmoran
2001-10-09 19:44                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-09 20:41                       ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 19:55                 ` Dalen Kruse
2001-10-09  3:33                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09 10:41                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-09 15:21                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 16:12                         ` translations [OT] Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 11:01                 ` is Ada dying? Florian Weimer
2001-10-09 12:40                 ` John English
2001-10-09 14:38                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09 16:22                     ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-10  9:09                     ` John English
2001-10-10  9:16                     ` John English
2001-10-08  8:44           ` Robert*
2001-10-09  4:49             ` Navid Azimi
2001-10-09  9:44             ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-09 10:00               ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-09 10:06                 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08  8:59         ` is Ada dying?(Perhaps a CPAN network is in order?) McDoobie
2001-10-07 20:49 ` is Ada dying? Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-08  9:30   ` John English
2001-10-08  0:19 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08  5:45 ` Michael Bode
2001-10-09  2:45   ` James Rogers
2001-10-09  5:33     ` Michael Bode
2001-10-09 15:49     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 16:23       ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-28  8:25     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-28  9:53       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-28 17:20         ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-29 16:36       ` Tony Gair
2001-10-09 14:10   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 15:14     ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 15:32       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08  6:40 ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-08  7:38 ` Robert*
2001-10-08  9:31   ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 20:25     ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-09  8:18       ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 15:10         ` Gary Scott
2001-10-10  8:15           ` John McCabe
2001-10-18  1:37             ` Gary Scott
2001-10-18 13:16               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-18 16:01                 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-18 17:54                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-18 19:06                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-19  0:00                 ` Gary Scott
2001-10-10  5:03         ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-10  8:25           ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 17:41             ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-11  8:42               ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 13:38           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11  8:41             ` John McCabe
2001-10-11 13:53               ` Ada on the 1750a (was Re: is Ada dying?) Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 16:21                 ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 17:16   ` is Ada dying? Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 14:59 ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-08 15:02 ` Robert Dewar
2001-10-08 18:11   ` David Starner
2001-10-09 14:42     ` Vincent Marciante
2001-10-08 17:25 ` chris.danx
2001-10-08 19:57   ` Gary Scott
2001-10-08 20:56     ` chris.danx
2001-10-09 15:06       ` Gary Scott
2001-10-09 14:15   ` John English
2001-10-09 17:22     ` chris.danx
2001-10-09 21:42     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 22:49     ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-11 12:11       ` webwarrior
2001-10-13 10:36         ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-15  8:21           ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 10:24             ` Robert*
2001-10-15 16:10               ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 20:03                 ` Robert*
2001-10-15 22:05                   ` minyard
2001-10-15 22:16                     ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-16  2:01                       ` minyard
2001-10-16 12:53                   ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 19:43               ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-15 20:07                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 15:05               ` Israel Raj T
2001-10-17 16:50                 ` John McCabe
2001-10-17 17:50                   ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-17 19:40                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-17 20:31                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 12:29       ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 13:23         ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 16:14           ` minyard
2001-10-11 18:10             ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-11 19:37             ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-01 17:24             ` Harri J Haataja
2001-12-04 10:18               ` Harri J Haataja
2001-10-11 20:34           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-12 13:44             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-13  7:04               ` Simon Wright
2001-10-15 13:43                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:14         ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 14:46           ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:37             ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 15:39               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 15:24                 ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 18:55                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 15:04             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 15:27               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:46           ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 15:30             ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 20:52             ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-11 15:26           ` Robert*
2001-10-11 16:02             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 15:56               ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 17:50                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 18:59                   ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 19:20                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12  0:10                       ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-12 13:18                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 13:51                           ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-12 13:55                           ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 14:04                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 13:50                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 20:43             ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-11 18:59           ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-11 19:33             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 20:52               ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-11 21:32                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12  1:05                   ` mitch
2001-10-12 13:28                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 14:15                       ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 13:39                   ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-12 12:11                 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-12 13:30                 ` Simon Wright
2001-10-11 20:40           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-11 21:42             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 17:30         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-11 18:44           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12  8:30             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-12  8:41               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-12  8:48                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-12 13:47                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 14:09                 ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 16:50                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-12 18:35                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-13  2:57                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-15 13:47                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 14:44                         ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 15:13                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16 16:14                             ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-16 16:53                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16 16:57                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-27 18:51                               ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-29 15:24                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30  5:49                                   ` Barry Kelly
2001-10-30 15:35                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30 17:09                                       ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-30 17:41                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30 18:27                                       ` Darren New
2001-10-30 19:25                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30 21:44                                           ` Darren New
2001-10-30 23:08                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-31  5:30                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-31 14:03                                                 ` David Botton
2001-10-31 15:51                                                   ` Matthew Heaney [this message]
2001-10-31 16:37                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-31 18:56                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 15:22                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 16:13                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 16:35                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 17:40                                                             ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-11 19:50                                                               ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-12 17:07                                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 19:02                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13  2:42                                                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 14:15                                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-02  5:21                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2001-11-01  6:07                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-11-01 15:09                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-11 19:47                                                 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-31 18:09                                               ` Darren New
2001-10-31 18:27                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 19:37                                                   ` Darren New
2001-10-31 21:29                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 19:26                                                       ` Darren New
2001-11-01 19:55                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 22:15                                                           ` Larry Hazel
2001-11-01 22:30                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-02 15:34                                                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 15:37                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 16:56                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 18:12                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 18:26                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 20:08                                                           ` Darren New
2001-11-01 21:33                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 22:08                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 22:31                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-02 15:05                                                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-11-01  7:23                                                 ` Mark Biggar
2001-11-01 15:08                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 16:18                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 17:15                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 19:06                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 19:29                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 21:40                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-02  5:27                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2001-11-01 19:31                                                         ` Darren New
2001-11-01 20:11                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 20:15                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 15:09                                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-30 15:07                                   ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-30 15:43                                     ` Questions - Polimorphism/Dynamic Binding Eric Merritt
2001-10-30 16:28                                       ` David Botton
2001-10-30 17:02                                         ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-30 22:28                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-30 23:04                                         ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-31  2:16                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 15:46                                             ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-31 16:26                                               ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 16:50                                                 ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-30 15:55                                     ` why not Marin David Condic
2001-11-11 20:00                                     ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-01 17:45                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <3BE18A23.BC921FA9@boeing.com>
2001-11-01 18:23                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-11 20:02                                       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-12 15:53                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-12 19:27                                           ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-01 21:42                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 19:58                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-01 20:16                                     ` Eric Merritt
2001-11-01 20:07                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57nOrganization: LJK Software <wxjM7LDNji1I@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-11-01 20:19                                     ` Marin David Condic
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <tu0i54ndv2q94d@corp.supernews.com>
2001-11-02  7:31                                     ` Simon Wright
2001-11-02 15:12                                       ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <PMdE7.8703$xS6.11455@www.newsranger.com>
2001-11-02  7:40                                     ` Simon Wright
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2001-11-02  7:46                                     ` Simon Wright
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2001-11-02  7:59                                     ` Simon Wright
2001-11-02 15:39                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-02 18:58                                         ` Darren New
2001-10-16 16:01                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 19:25                             ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 20:19                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 17:10                         ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                         ` <us <3BCC69F1.49E8A65@boeing.com>
2001-10-16 19:27                           ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-17  2:19                             ` Jeffrey Carter
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2001-10-18 20:04                           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-18 20:56                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-19 11:52                               ` Simon Wright
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2001-10-31  6:52                           ` Simon Wright
2001-11-02 15:20                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-28  7:58                     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-13  7:28                   ` Simon Wright
2001-10-12 13:33               ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 13:53               ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-12 13:34             ` Simon Wright
2001-10-12 13:32           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-08 21:34 ` is Ada dying? Ehud Lamm
2001-10-11  4:27 ` David Brown
2001-10-11 16:52   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-12 14:20     ` Ted Dennison
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