From: to.reply@read.my.sig (Rick Thorne)
Subject: Re: What ada 83 compiler is *best*
Date: 1998/12/08
Date: 1998-12-08T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <to.reply-0812980725460001@129.197.97.40> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 74hk55$6t5$1@remarQ.com
In article <74hk55$6t5$1@remarQ.com>, "Pat Rogers"
<progers@NOclasswideSPAM.com> wrote:
> Rick Thorne wrote in message ...
>
> >Ever wonder why the
> >Ada Initiative was dropped by the DoD? The reason is somple: Ada
> code
> >isn't any less expensive, buggy, slow, or difficult to read than
> anyone
> >ELSE's code.
>
> Simply false. See hard facts at:
>
> http://www.adaresource.org/docs/present/ajpo/pll-cost/html/
>
> http://www.adaresource.org/docs/reports/cada/cada_art.html
Personally, I think it's cute when someone touts an advocacy web page as
"hard fact." This is like Ralph Reed calling the 0.5% of the American
population who are members of the Christian Coalition "the mainstream", or
the tobacco industry reports refuting the link between smoking and lung
cancer. Honestly, Pat, this kind of logical fallacy is more appropriate
in alt.aliens.visitors.
I've seen these reports, and I've seen others as well. I remain
unconvinced, and I remain so simply because I've seen the disasters in
plain ol' crappy Ada coding. Fine - Ada's easier to read than C++ (tho
not as easy to read as Java, in my opinion). Fine, Ada has a "true"
standard. Fine, Ada's the programming language of choice in Sweden. As a
veteran in BOTH Ada and C++/Java, I can tell you I've seen ugliness in
both, and beauty in both, and I remain utterly unconvinced that Ada has
enough advantages over ANY major language technology to emerge as anything
but a declining has-been. You're doing well in Ada, are you? Good for
you. Your market is shrinking in the US - like it or not. I'm doing
great in C++/Java myself, and my market's growing - like it or not. I
hope we both enjoy a happy, early retirement. I truly do.
I'll quote Fredrick Brooks again: "Ada is just a programming language."
It doesn't fix the central problems in the software engineering crisis:
requirements definition and software architecture and design. As such,
I'm still waiting for a convincing argument to make Ada part of my
future. Ain't heard one yet!
--
? Rick Thorne ? "I'm quite illiterate, ?
? software engineer by day ? but I read a lot" ?
? harried father of two by night ? J. D. Salinger ?
? rick.thorne@lmco.com ? ?
? http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/6816/ ?
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Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1998-12-03 0:00 What ada 83 compiler is *best* Rick Thorne
1998-12-03 0:00 ` marc j bejerano
1998-12-03 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-12-03 0:00 ` Gautier
1998-12-07 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-07 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne [this message]
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1998-12-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-12-09 0:00 ` Marc A. Criley
1998-12-07 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-12-09 0:00 ` John McCabe
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-12-09 0:00 ` dewarr
1998-12-09 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-12-10 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-12-10 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-12-08 0:00 ` David Gillon
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Roga Danar
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1998-12-09 0:00 ` Roga Danar
1998-12-10 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Gautier.DeMontmollin
1998-12-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-12-09 0:00 ` dewarr
1998-12-09 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1998-12-10 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-12-10 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1998-12-10 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1998-12-11 0:00 ` dewarr
1998-12-14 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-12-09 0:00 ` P.S. Norby
1998-12-04 0:00 ` Ada rotting? (was: What ada 83 compiler is *best*) Roga Danar
1998-12-07 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-07 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1998-12-07 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
[not found] ` <366D6BF8.B1F4C1C0@hercii.mar.lmco.com>
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-07 0:00 ` David Botton
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-09 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1998-12-04 0:00 ` What ada 83 compiler is *best* Matthew Heaney
1998-12-07 0:00 ` Jeff Carter
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Steve O'Neill
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1998-11-18 0:00 Nobody
1998-11-18 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1998-11-21 0:00 ` dewarr
1998-11-21 0:00 ` dewarr
1998-11-21 0:00 ` dewarr
1998-11-18 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-11-18 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-11-18 0:00 ` dennison
1998-11-18 0:00 ` Gautier de Montmollin
1998-12-03 0:00 ` Roga Danar
1998-11-19 0:00 ` whiter5195
1998-11-23 0:00 ` Charlie McCutcheon
[not found] ` <36534040.F30A5E5B@hercii.mar.lmco.com>
1998-11-21 0:00 ` Steve Kerr
1998-11-21 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1998-11-21 0:00 ` Ed Falis
1998-11-22 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
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