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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Bus error
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:07:08 +0200
Date: 2007-06-29T22:06:28+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <tk9ak6o26vr7.15x8n04sjd359.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4685280c$0$14869$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:44:22 +0200, Georg Bauhaus wrote:

> Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:35:28 +0200, Duncan Sands wrote:
>> 
>>> in Ada 95 you could do
>>>
>>> 	X : T renames Factory;
>> 
>> Yes, you're right. It should be illegal. Semantically it is same as
>>
>>    X : Integer renames 1; -- Illegal
> 
> I don't think that renaming an object is the same as renaming
> a number literal because the literal isn't declared anywhere.
> Wheras I could say that a returned object is declared as part
> of the function declaration.

Oh, if that is a problem then take this instead:

    X : Integer renames -1; -- Still illegal, though not a literal

But clearly your argument is nonsensical, literal is a syntactic element,
of which semantics is as much object as any of any other expression. It
would be a very perverse idea to try to draw a line between literals and
non-literals. Note also that Ada's renaming has conceptually little to do
with objects. Consider:

   X : T;
   X : T renames X; -- Illegal

though the "object" is obviously same. Same object, same name, what was
wrong?

>>    function Very_Positive return Integer is
>>    begin
>>        return -1;
>>    end Very_Positive;
>> 
>>    Oops : Positive renames Very_Positive; -- This is OK!
> 
> So is
> 
>   if 42 not in Boolean'pos(false) .. Boolean'pos(true) then
>       raise Constraint_Error;
>   end if;

You missed the point. The renaming in my example shall *not* raise
Constraint_Error. It is a clear language design fault.

Renaming is completely broken in Ada. It creates new objects, it violates
contracts, it introduces names conflicts.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-29 20:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2007-06-29  9:35 ` AW: Bus error Duncan Sands
2007-06-29 12:55   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-29 15:37     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-06-29 15:44     ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-29 20:07       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2007-06-30  1:37         ` Robert A Duff
2007-06-30  8:44           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-30 11:52             ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-30 13:16               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-30 14:31               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-30 18:07                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-30 19:31                   ` Robert A Duff
2007-07-01  9:07                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-30 15:40               ` Robert A Duff
2007-06-30 17:54                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-07-02  8:01           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-07-02 12:00             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-07-02 12:30               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-07-02 14:22             ` Robert A Duff
2007-06-30 13:14         ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-30 14:31           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-30 15:34             ` Robert A Duff
2007-07-01  8:34               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-07-01 15:39                 ` Robert A Duff
2007-07-01 19:41                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-30 15:29           ` Robert A Duff
2007-06-30 17:41             ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-30 13:31         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-07-02  0:16           ` Robert A Duff
2007-06-29  9:23 AW: " Grein, Christoph (Fa. ESG)
2007-06-29 10:17 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-06-27 14:23 Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-27 15:45 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-27 17:19   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-28  1:58     ` Robert A Duff
2007-06-28 20:06       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-28 21:19         ` Robert A Duff
2007-06-29  8:05           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-29  9:42             ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-29 16:59               ` Adam Beneschan
2007-06-30 12:33                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-30  2:02             ` Robert A Duff
2007-06-29  8:04         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-27 20:02 ` Anh Vo
2007-06-27 20:48   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-28  2:01     ` Robert A Duff
1990-08-27 23:48 BUS ERROR J o s e D u a r t e ! ! !
1990-08-16 14:52 saharbaugh%roo.dnet
1990-08-13 21:11 J o s e D u a r t e !!!
1990-08-10 12:32 bus error saharbaugh%roo.dnet
1990-08-09 14:50 saharbaugh%roo.dnet
1990-08-10 21:38 ` Chuck Peterson
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