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From: Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: "Must instantiate controlled types at library level." Why?
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:28:30 +0200
Date: 2004-05-19T15:28:30+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <thnma097nb1rme8emmlmdt4noo70cr0mrd@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1084970288.701041@master.nyc.kbcfp.com

On Wed, 19 May 2004 08:38:08 -0400, Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com>
wrote:

>Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> > It is C++'s insufficient ADT which led to STL.
>
>This is completely wrong. In fact, Stepanov wrote the first
>version of what would become STL in Ada in 1985.

I know it well.

>He even tried
>to influence Stroustrup to adopt Ada's explicit instantiation
>model of generics, and only when he started using implicit
>instantiations did he come to realize their power. You can
>read about this in an interview with him from 1995,
><http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/drdobbs-interview.html>.

Stepanov wished generic programming. He chose templates because ADT
(either in Ada 83 or in C++) was insufficient to provide that
(remember his "max" test.)

So he came to a conclusion that the whole OO (technically = ADT) is
unsound. This is IMO wrong, because templates are not the only way.

--
Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov
www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-19 13:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-11 23:04 "Must instantiate controlled types at library level." Why? Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-12  1:03 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-12 10:47   ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-12 11:25     ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-05-12 14:41       ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-13  2:20       ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-12 11:55     ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-13  2:59       ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-13  7:10         ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-13 10:36           ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-13 11:18             ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-13 22:27               ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-13 22:54               ` Freejack
2004-05-14  7:13                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-14 13:50                   ` Xenos
2004-05-14 17:27                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-14 17:58                       ` Xenos
2004-05-14 18:49                     ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-14 19:40                       ` Xenos
2004-05-14 22:47                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-05-15  8:34                           ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-16  2:55                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-16 13:48                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-05-17  2:30                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-17  5:39                                 ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-17  7:48                                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-05-17 15:01                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-17 16:31                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-17 17:40                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-17 19:17                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-17  6:24                                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-17 19:48                                   ` James Kanze
2004-05-18  6:27                                     ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-17 12:33                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-17 13:46                                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-17 15:03                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-17 16:02                                   ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-18  7:48                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-19  1:20                                       ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-19  9:59                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-19 12:38                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-19 13:28                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2004-05-19 13:09                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-19 13:44                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-19 14:17                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-19 14:15                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-21 11:39                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-21 20:33                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
     [not found]                                                   ` <c8mkor$rlq$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de>
2004-05-23  1:28                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-23  8:55                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-24 11:38                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-24 13:57                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-24 14:40                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-25  8:32                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-25 15:47                                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
     [not found]                                   ` <URJ8Eg0vzF@VB1162.spb.edu>
2004-05-17 16:50                                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-18  8:27                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-15 17:20                     ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-13 19:33             ` Randy Brukardt
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