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From: Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Simulating the rolling of dices to produce truly random numbers?
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:59:24 -0600
Date: 2018-01-10T10:59:24-06:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <tdhc5dd8r79k27r4u1mh74namu3qgkdjc9@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: p35gi1$p76$2@toylet.eternal-september.org

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 00:55:29 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/1/2018 00:52, Robert Wessel wrote:
>>
>> If it's done in a deterministic fashion, then no, it won't be any more
>> "truly" random than any other PRNG.
>>
>> If you have a source of non-deterministic input, there are certainly
>> better ways to turn that into proper true random output ("whitening").
>
>We possibly could not randomize the first contact point between the box 
>and the surface? :)


Again, if you do it deterministically, you've not created true
randomness.  If you have a way of doing non-deterministically, which
means you have a non-deterministic input to your system, just start
from there, and don't go through the silly exercise of simulating the
physical motion of dice.

IOW, you can't create real random dice rolls unless you have an actual
source of true randomness to input to your dice simulation algorithm.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-10 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-10 15:50 Simulating the rolling of dices to produce truly random numbers? Mr. Man-wai Chang
2018-01-10 16:52 ` Robert Wessel
2018-01-10 16:55   ` Mr. Man-wai Chang
2018-01-10 16:59     ` Robert Wessel [this message]
2018-01-10 17:00       ` Mr. Man-wai Chang
2018-01-10 17:16         ` Robert Wessel
2018-01-10 16:55   ` Robert Wessel
2018-01-10 16:58     ` Mr. Man-wai Chang
2018-01-10 21:07       ` David Brown
2018-01-10 17:20 ` Joe Pfeiffer
2018-01-10 17:22   ` Mr. Man-wai Chang
2018-01-10 17:32     ` Robert Wessel
2018-01-10 18:15       ` Richard Heathfield
2018-01-10 19:09         ` Robert Wessel
2018-01-10 17:38     ` Joe Pfeiffer
2018-01-10 17:48       ` Mr. Man-wai Chang
2018-01-10 18:43         ` Joe Pfeiffer
2018-01-10 18:20   ` Scott Lurndal
2018-01-10 18:23     ` Lew Pitcher
2018-01-10 20:29 ` Chris M. Thomasson
2018-01-10 22:54 ` Mace Ayres
2018-01-11  1:31   ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-01-11 12:45   ` AdaMagica
2018-01-11 14:40     ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-01-12  2:32     ` Mace Ayres
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