Re: in defense of GC

[Markus E Leypold <development-2006-8ecbb5cc8aREMOVETHIS@ANDTHATm-e-leypold.de>]

Georg Bauhaus <bauhaus@futureapps.de> writes:

> On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 17:17 +0100, Markus E Leypold wrote:
>> Georg Bauhaus <bauhaus@futureapps.de> writes:
>> 
>> > On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 09:49 +0100, Markus E Leypold wrote:
>> >> Georg Bauhaus <bauhaus@arcor.de> writes:
>> >> 
>> >> > On Wed, 2007-02-07 at 12:19 +0100, Markus E Leypold wrote:
>> >> >> Georg Bauhaus <bauhaus@futureapps.de> writes:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >
>> >> >> > If you do this, perhaps you can find the time to use a, uh, stop-watch
>> >> >> > to measure the time it takes to produce, read, and change the programs?
>> >> >> > I.e., to technically manage significant software. The times will be
>> >> >> > important input for deciding whether or not static typing does indeed
>> >> >> > help in production.
>> >> >> > The only thing that relates to economic efficiency, if you want it :-)
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> So the how long a beginner in a specific language takes to do
>> >> >> something is "important input for deciding ..." if compared to what,
>> >> >> exactly?
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't think Ray is a beginner in functional programming.
>> >> 
>> >> >> So the how long a beginner in a specific language takes to do
>> >                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >> 
>> >> I should think I have been quite clear on that. 
>> >
>> > If your question is asking how much time a beginner will need
>> 
>> If that is you only question, fine. It wasn't mine.
>
> OK, I admit I have had some difficulty in parsing the beginner-sentence,
> I tried my best which is never enough. Does your question have to do
> with beginners at all?


In this subthread I didn't have a question: I just encouraged Ray to
have a look into OCaml. More like a recommendation between people that
are lokking for good restaurants: Tastes differ, but still one is
listening to other peoples advice and one is still giving references
where one liked it :-).

In the superthread the open question seemd to be yours: Typing - is it
good or bad, is type inference good or bad etc -- so I related your
request for measurements to your question(s) and was a bit surprised
that suddenly we're only talking about suitability for beginners.

But as I said in other posts (responses to your's and Dmitry's): I'm
not sure any more at all what we're talking about, except (rather
general) likes disklikes and feelings of good and bad vibrations ... 

I'm admittedly not sure I'd like to posit any thesis here now or
suggest that anyone else does: After all, we don't have the
instruments here to check / test "the truth" or find empirical data
that definitely doesn't exist. 

Regards -- Markus