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From: Hyman Rosen <hymie@prolifics.com>
Subject: Re: Ada OO Mechanism
Date: 1999/05/26
Date: 1999-05-26T22:01:11+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <t7k8tvqyjr.fsf@calumny.jyacc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7ihf6i$4hv@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com

Richard D Riehle <laoXhai@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> For example, in the same scope and visibility
>          type T is tagged ...
>          function Get(F : some-file) return T;
>          function Get(F : access some-file) return T;
>          function Get(F : some-file) return T'Class;
>          type B is new T with ...
>          function Get(F : some-file) return B;
>          function Get(F : access some-file) return B;

Overloading by return type and having that control dispatching looks
like a good example of something that you can't do in C++. So is the
concept of class-wide type itself - there's no equivalent in C++ for
Ada's T'Class type. From a little fooling around with your code above
and gnat, and the Rationale, it looks like the compiler has to examine
the code that attempts to initialize a T'Class variable and allocate
the maximum space for it that that code would require. C++ doesn't do
any of that - C++ coders would be using dynamic allocation and pointers
or references to pass around arbitray subclasses. Interesting.

>  One of the original contentions was that, although the C++ model of
>              class <=> type <=> module
>  appears to be simpler on the surface, as one begins to design large
>  scale software, that model becomes something of a straightjacket. It
>  utltimately requires friend functions and other encapsulation-breaking
>  features (such as the new "mutable" reserved word) to get around the
>  restrictions imposed by such a small model of object-oriented 
>  programming.

It is a fallacy that friend functions break encapsulation. Friendship
is granted explicitly by a class. These friends are part of the
encapsulation. Mutable has nothing at all to do with this - mutable
members of an object may be modified even when the object is declared
to be 'const'. The intent is to provide a difference between logical
constness and physical constness. For example, one would expect that
the characters of a const string would never change, but there could
be an internal reference count that needs adjustment. That count would
be declared mutable.

For completeness sake, class member templates *can* be used to break
encapsulation. The C++ philosophy is to protect encapsulation against
Murphy but not Machiavelli.




  reply	other threads:[~1999-05-26  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-05-20  0:00 Ada OO Mechanism Shawn M. Root
1999-05-20  0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-20  0:00   ` David Botton
1999-05-20  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-20  0:00       ` David Botton
1999-05-24  0:00   ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-24  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-24  0:00       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-24  0:00         ` Mike
1999-05-25  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-24  0:00         ` David Starner
1999-05-24  0:00           ` bob
1999-05-24  0:00             ` David Starner
1999-05-25  0:00               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-05-25  0:00                 ` Mark A Biggar
1999-05-25  0:00                   ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-25  0:00                     ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-25  0:00                       ` David Botton
1999-05-26  0:00                         ` Tom Moran
1999-05-27  0:00                       ` Aidan Skinner
1999-05-25  0:00                     ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-25  0:00                       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-25  0:00                         ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-25  0:00                           ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-26  0:00                             ` Ray Blaak
1999-05-26  0:00                               ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-26  0:00                               ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-26  0:00                                 ` Hyman Rosen [this message]
1999-05-27  0:00                                   ` Richard D Riehle
1999-06-05  0:00                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-07  0:00                                       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-28  0:00                                   ` Laurent Guerby
1999-06-05  0:00                                   ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-07  0:00                                     ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-08  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-08  0:00                                         ` Markus Kuhn
1999-06-08  0:00                                           ` Stanley R. Allen
1999-06-08  0:00                                         ` Stanley R. Allen
1999-06-08  0:00                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-08  0:00                                         ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-08  0:00                                           ` Samuel Mize
1999-06-08  0:00                                             ` Hyman Rosen
     [not found]                           ` <t7zp2sr6yf.fsf@calumny.jyacc.c <t7r9nmz8ou.fsf@calumny.jyacc.com>
1999-06-08  0:00                             ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-06-08  0:00                               ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-14  0:00                                 ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                           ` <t7zp2sr6yf.fsf@calumny.jyacc.c <t7emjmmx8w.fsf@calumny.jyacc.com>
1999-06-08  0:00                             ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-06-08  0:00                               ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-08  0:00                                 ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-08  0:00                                   ` Brian Rogoff
1999-06-09  0:00                                   ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-09  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                   ` < <375E92CB.27850620@averstar.com>
1999-06-09  0:00                                     ` Brian Rogoff
1999-06-14  0:00                                       ` Robert A Duff
1999-06-09  0:00                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-09  0:00                                 ` Samuel Mize
     [not found]                           ` <t7zp2sr6yf.fsf@calumny.jyacc.c <375d9a3d.e1cccc63@averstar.com>
1999-06-09  0:00                             ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-06-09  0:00                               ` Tucker Taft
1999-05-25  0:00                         ` Brian Rogoff
1999-05-25  0:00                           ` Jim
1999-05-26  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-26  0:00                             ` Brian Rogoff
1999-05-25  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-25  0:00                           ` Chris
1999-05-25  0:00                             ` David Botton
1999-05-27  0:00                               ` Aidan Skinner
1999-05-27  0:00                                 ` Gautier
1999-05-27  0:00                             ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-27  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-27  0:00                           ` Jon S Anthony
1999-05-27  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-27  0:00                           ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-28  0:00                             ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-28  0:00                             ` Laurent Guerby
1999-05-28  0:00                               ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-28  0:00                                 ` Tom Moran
1999-05-28  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-05-28  0:00                       ` Brian Rogoff
1999-05-29  0:00                       ` Ehud Lamm
1999-05-30  0:00                         ` chris
1999-05-30  0:00                           ` Harry George
1999-05-30  0:00                             ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-05-31  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-30  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-31  0:00                           ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-06-03  0:00                             ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-06-02  0:00                               ` mike
1999-06-03  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-06  0:00                                   ` David Botton
1999-06-07  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-01  0:00                           ` Richard D Riehle
1999-06-03  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-03  0:00                     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-05-25  0:00                 ` Florian Weimer
1999-05-25  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-25  0:00       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-25  0:00         ` David Starner
1999-05-26  0:00         ` Laurent Guerby
1999-05-26  0:00           ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-28  0:00             ` Laurent Guerby
1999-06-01  0:00               ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-03  0:00                 ` Fraser Wilson
1999-05-26  0:00         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-06-03  0:00     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-03  0:00       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-21  0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-05-20  0:00   ` bob
1999-05-21  0:00     ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-05-21  0:00   ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-21  0:00     ` Shawn M. Root
1999-05-21  0:00       ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-25  0:00         ` Shawn M. Root
1999-05-21  0:00     ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-21  0:00       ` Steve
1999-05-21  0:00       ` Dan Nagle
1999-05-24  0:00         ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-25  0:00   ` Don Overheu
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