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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Do people who use Ada also use ocaml or F#?
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:03:04 +0100
Date: 2010-11-07T00:03:03+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <t3psuch4qhzm$.ee2rft9bazm6.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: wcclj56cgsx.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com

On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 16:56:14 -0400, Robert A Duff wrote:

> Stephen Leake <stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org> writes:
> 
>> To truly test a generic, you need to test with all possible
>> instantiations.
> 
> To "truly" test a procedure, you have to call it with all
> possible parameter values (and all possible globals,
> if it uses those).

Loaded at all possible memory addresses, etc. There is no such thing as a
"true" test. Some things have to be taken for granted/proved.

>> That's much more effort than testing a single concrete procedure.
> 
> Well, I agree that testing a generic is typically harder
> than testing a single procedure.  That's because generics
> are typically more, um, "general".

No, it is because there are more things which can be safely assumed for a
well-designed procedure than for a well-designed generic.

Furthermore, I would bet that practically any generic can be broken per
erroneous instantiation, e.g. by passing function "-" where "+" expected.
We discard these cases as unlike, but we cannot prove that they indeed do
not happen, until we instantiate, with is the essence of being
non-testable. For procedures testing usually covers the inputs necessary to
deduce that it works for all other inputs. Erroneous usages do not exist or
well known/detectable/preventable.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-06 23:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-29  2:27 Do people who use Ada also use ocaml or F#? Chad  R. Meiners
2010-10-29  2:58 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30  1:32   ` Chad  R. Meiners
2010-10-30  2:22     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30  3:44       ` Chad  R. Meiners
2010-10-30 12:15     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-30 12:14   ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-30 12:46     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 13:59       ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-30 14:12       ` Niklas Holsti
2010-10-30 18:58         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 19:20           ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-30 23:11           ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 15:13             ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-29  7:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-29 17:10   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-29 19:10     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-29 22:16   ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30  0:01     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-30  2:07       ` Chad  R. Meiners
2010-10-30 23:02         ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30 23:30           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31  2:31             ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31  2:58               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 10:57                 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 11:04                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 16:58                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-11-01 17:46                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-11-01 17:03                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-11-03 13:30                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-11-03 19:16                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30  7:41     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 23:08       ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30 23:15         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-31  2:36           ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31  3:01             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31  4:52               ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31  5:12                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31  7:38         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31  8:03           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31  8:14             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 11:00           ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 11:17             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 12:51               ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 15:07                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 15:32                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 20:00                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 20:04                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 20:19                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 18:23                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 18:02           ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30  2:07   ` Chad  R. Meiners
2010-10-30  2:29     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30  3:55       ` Chad  R. Meiners
2010-10-30  7:49     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 12:18   ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-30 12:59     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 19:12       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 19:37         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 20:04           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 20:54             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 21:53               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31  8:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31  9:49                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 21:46           ` Shark8
2010-11-01  9:32             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-01 10:17               ` Florian Weimer
2010-11-05 12:46               ` Robert A Duff
2010-11-05 16:39                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-06 17:22                 ` Stephen Leake
2010-11-06 20:56                   ` Robert A Duff
2010-11-06 23:03                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2010-11-06 23:41                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-11-07  0:18                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-11-07 11:51                       ` Simon Wright
2010-11-07 12:14                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-07  3:05                   ` Chad  R. Meiners
2010-11-01 11:44             ` Brian Drummond
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