From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Do people who use Ada also use ocaml or F#?
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:03:04 +0100
Date: 2010-11-07T00:03:03+01:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <t3psuch4qhzm$.ee2rft9bazm6.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: wcclj56cgsx.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com
On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 16:56:14 -0400, Robert A Duff wrote:
> Stephen Leake <stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org> writes:
>
>> To truly test a generic, you need to test with all possible
>> instantiations.
>
> To "truly" test a procedure, you have to call it with all
> possible parameter values (and all possible globals,
> if it uses those).
Loaded at all possible memory addresses, etc. There is no such thing as a
"true" test. Some things have to be taken for granted/proved.
>> That's much more effort than testing a single concrete procedure.
>
> Well, I agree that testing a generic is typically harder
> than testing a single procedure. That's because generics
> are typically more, um, "general".
No, it is because there are more things which can be safely assumed for a
well-designed procedure than for a well-designed generic.
Furthermore, I would bet that practically any generic can be broken per
erroneous instantiation, e.g. by passing function "-" where "+" expected.
We discard these cases as unlike, but we cannot prove that they indeed do
not happen, until we instantiate, with is the essence of being
non-testable. For procedures testing usually covers the inputs necessary to
deduce that it works for all other inputs. Erroneous usages do not exist or
well known/detectable/preventable.
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2010-10-29 2:27 Do people who use Ada also use ocaml or F#? Chad R. Meiners
2010-10-29 2:58 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 1:32 ` Chad R. Meiners
2010-10-30 2:22 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 3:44 ` Chad R. Meiners
2010-10-30 12:15 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-30 12:14 ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-30 12:46 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 13:59 ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-30 14:12 ` Niklas Holsti
2010-10-30 18:58 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 19:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-30 23:11 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 15:13 ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-29 7:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-29 17:10 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-29 19:10 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-29 22:16 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30 0:01 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-30 2:07 ` Chad R. Meiners
2010-10-30 23:02 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30 23:30 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 2:31 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 2:58 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 10:57 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 11:04 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 16:58 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-11-01 17:46 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-11-01 17:03 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-11-03 13:30 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-11-03 19:16 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 7:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 23:08 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30 23:15 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-31 2:36 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 3:01 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 4:52 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 5:12 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 7:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 8:03 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 8:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 11:00 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 11:17 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 12:51 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 15:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 15:32 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 20:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 20:04 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 20:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 18:23 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 18:02 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30 2:07 ` Chad R. Meiners
2010-10-30 2:29 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 3:55 ` Chad R. Meiners
2010-10-30 7:49 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 12:18 ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-30 12:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 19:12 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 19:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 20:04 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 20:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 21:53 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 8:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 9:49 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 21:46 ` Shark8
2010-11-01 9:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-01 10:17 ` Florian Weimer
2010-11-05 12:46 ` Robert A Duff
2010-11-05 16:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-06 17:22 ` Stephen Leake
2010-11-06 20:56 ` Robert A Duff
2010-11-06 23:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2010-11-06 23:41 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-11-07 0:18 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-11-07 11:51 ` Simon Wright
2010-11-07 12:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-07 3:05 ` Chad R. Meiners
2010-11-01 11:44 ` Brian Drummond
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