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From: spray@convex.com (Rob Spray)
Subject: Re: Critique of SEI's Ada DARK project
Date: 22 May 91 16:58:56 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <spray.674931536@convex.convex.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1991May22.143229.24667@src.honeywell.com

In <1991May22.143229.24667@src.honeywell.com> vestal@SRC.Honeywell.COM (Steve Vestal) writes:


>In article <spray.674858011@convex.convex.com> spray@convex.com (Rob Spray) writes:

>Rob> One concern I have always had about DARK is how it got funded
>Rob> targetted to a processor that is not available in a 
>Rob> radiation-hardened configuration.  Several embedded systems
>Rob> I am familiar with are required to use full MIL-SPEC processors.

>Does mil-spec mean that a processor must be radiation hardened, or just that
>it be class B, certain temperature range, certain packaging, etc.?  "Radiation
>hardened" isn't a yes/no thing; there are several parameters and several
>degrees to radiation hardening.  For example, of the two processors cited, I

There's a MIL STD (5400 Class 1? I can't remember) that specifies
hardness, altitude, temperature range etc, etc.  It's my understanding
that most air/spaceborne MCCR systems must use processors that meet that
Standard (e.g. Loral(Rolm) Hawks, AN/UYK-xx, ap101, 1750A etc)

>orbit, shuttle or space station in low orbit, and aircraft, all vary.  Also,
>this is a systems issue, since one can trade shielding against the radiation
>insensitivity of the circuitry used.

Not always true. Most RFPs specify the Standards to be met.
Shielding non-qualified parts is not always an option.

>There are Ada development environments and executives for rad-hard computer
>systems, but I don't think a high degree of radiation insensitivity is a
>universal requirement on all military systems.

Agreed, but a significant number of systems have that requirement, 
so the choice of the 68K for DARK, effectively ignored many issues
faced by builders of such systems. 

The 68K has a reasonably orthogonal architecture and good memory
management scheme for distributed processing.  From a compiler
writer's view, lessons learned on a VAX transfer to the 68K.  So
the 68K had the best Ada environment to implement DARK.  (I 
suspect that proposing a VAX target would have been even more
unacceptable.)  However, there are no rad-hard 68Ks, so technology
transfer of DARK to a significant percentage of the intended systems
is hindered.

--Rob Spray
--spray@convex.com
--Previous disclaimer is still in full effect.

  reply	other threads:[~1991-05-22 16:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1991-05-21 19:02 Critique of SEI's Ada DARK project Gregory Aharonian
1991-05-21 20:33 ` Rob Spray
1991-05-22 14:32   ` Steve Vestal
1991-05-22 16:58     ` Rob Spray [this message]
1991-05-24 20:05 ` Edward Hinton
1991-05-29 21:45 ` Tom Griest
1991-05-30 18:03   ` Jim Showalter
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