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From: David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ada] made me hate programming
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 01:37:29 -0400
Date: 2010-07-06T01:37:29-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <spd536llfepqo9kde4r4hgs23rubi3dd9r@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 6KDPK04Y40360.2153472222@reece.net.au

On 30 Jun 2010 21:10:06 -0000, Kulin Remailer <remailer@reece.net.au>
wrote:

> > I remember this when I was young. For some reason, students 
> > get real hung up on compile time errors.  It's like they are
> > horses bouncing around inside the gate, waiting for the door
> > to open. 
> 
> That was the questionable thinking behind a hilarious variant of PL/I
> called PL/C, Cornell University's PL/I compiler. Students just want their
> programs to compile and run, don't bother them with details like whether
> it's correct or not. Not a good assumption but...it was enough for somebody
> or some group of people to put out a pretty interesting compiler and get it
> out there in academia, circa late 70s early 80s timeframe.
> 
Earlier. My school was using it in '75, and it wasn't treated as new.
Wikipedia says it was published on in '73, and on concrete things like
that I apply fewer grains of salt to them.

> The purpose of PL/C was to take almost any input and hammer it until it
> looked like a PL/I program, compile it, and generate an executable from
> it. It certainly may not do what you intended, but by george, the damn
> thing will almost always start running. What happens next...nobody knows. 
> 
In the days of 4 or 8 hour or even longer batch turnarounds, trying to
correct errors as PL/C did, and WATFIV for FORTRAN, was useful. 
Yes, they didn't always guess right, but if you had made a few small
mistakes keypunching it might save you a day or more.

> It was hysterical to look closely at the diagnostics. I don't have a
> listing handy but I remember it would be something like
> 
> Error on line ... (note the syntax error)
> PL/C uses ....    (what PL/C replaced your erroneous statement with)
> 
> If I had a dime for every cup of coffee that went out my nose working with
> that compiler! Actually it could have been a very interesting aspect of AI
> if they had intentions in that direction but I don't think it went any
> further and I haven't seen anything like it since.
> 
My favorite was one time I was bored and gave it an empty source, and
it constructed a complete program; from vague memory something like:

* PROC statement missing inserted
* PROC label missing added
* END PROC statement missing added
* main PROC doesn't have OPTIONS added
* PROC contains no statement added
* running ...
* dummy statement executed, execution stopped

But compared to IBM's ZYX9942E Invalid construct somewhere near X 
(especially for JCL) this was manna from heaven.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-06  5:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-30  5:23 ADA made me hate programming mahdert
2010-06-30  5:33 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-30  5:42   ` mahdert
2010-06-30 16:49     ` Warren
2010-06-30 18:12   ` George Orwell
2010-06-30  6:40 ` anon
2010-06-30 19:07   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-07-01  1:38     ` starwars
2010-07-01  4:57     ` anon
2010-07-01 13:22       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-07-01 14:00         ` (see below)
2010-07-01 17:11         ` anon
2010-07-01 21:16           ` Wilson
2010-07-02  7:01             ` anon
2010-07-02 15:54             ` Non scrivetemi
2010-07-02 16:10               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-02 16:55                 ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-07-06  5:37             ` David Thompson
2010-07-01 23:29           ` Randy Brukardt
2010-07-02  6:07             ` anon
2010-08-20 22:44             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-07-02 10:45           ` sjw
2010-07-02 18:04             ` anon
2010-07-02 18:53               ` Simon Wright
2010-07-03  1:54                 ` anon
2010-07-03 13:16                   ` Marc A. Criley
2010-07-03 21:50                     ` anon
2010-07-04 11:40                       ` Simon Wright
2010-07-04 23:15                         ` anon
2010-07-05  6:00                           ` Simon Wright
2010-07-04 17:52                       ` Marc A. Criley
2010-07-04 23:22                         ` anon
2010-07-05  0:22                           ` Marc A. Criley
2010-07-05 10:49                             ` anon
2010-07-05 21:50                               ` Marc A. Criley
2010-07-06 11:15                                 ` Stephen Leake
2010-07-06 12:25                                   ` Marc A. Criley
2010-07-06 19:22                                   ` Simon Wright
2010-07-06 20:03                                     ` anon
2010-07-06 19:55                                 ` anon
2010-07-06 22:51                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-07  0:10                                   ` Marc A. Criley
2010-07-08  0:23                                     ` anon
2010-07-09  0:14                                       ` Marc A. Criley
2010-07-03 21:43                   ` Simon Wright
2010-08-21  0:33                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21 10:05                       ` Simon Wright
2010-08-20 22:30           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-23 15:38             ` Warren
2010-08-20 21:57       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-20 22:00       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-07-01 13:29     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-08-21  0:40       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-30  7:00 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-30  8:36   ` tonyg
2010-06-30 23:14     ` Phil Clayton
2010-07-01 12:58     ` Lucretia
2010-06-30  9:37 ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-30 17:05   ` [Ada] " Warren
2010-06-30 21:10     ` Kulin Remailer
2010-07-02 20:03       ` Warren
2010-07-06  5:37       ` David Thompson [this message]
2010-06-30 23:42     ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-07-01 14:14       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-01 14:27         ` (see below)
2010-07-01 15:36           ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-01 18:54             ` (see below)
2010-07-01 22:00               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-01 22:11                 ` (see below)
2010-07-02  8:28                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-02 17:52                   ` Non scrivetemi
2010-07-02 19:00                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-05 12:40                       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-07-02 14:07                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-07-01 19:34             ` Simon Wright
2010-07-02 20:30               ` Warren
2010-07-01 23:50             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-07-02  7:39               ` Georg Bauhaus
     [not found]                 ` <11xsi9ilnamk6$.1r1kaahru68b1.dlg@40tude.net>
2010-07-02 10:35                   ` Georg Bauhaus
     [not found]                     ` <u94jhtubncu$.2l0z5ep3q0kw.dlg@40tude.net>
2010-07-02 13:24                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-02 14:25                         ` Peter Hermann
2010-07-02 18:51                           ` anon
2010-07-02 14:26                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-07-02 18:56                       ` Simon Wright
2010-08-21  0:54     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-23 15:51       ` Warren
2010-08-23 16:44         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-23 16:57           ` Warren
2010-08-23 20:25         ` Reporting bugs in GNAT (was: [Ada] made me hate programming) Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-23 21:29           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-23 22:02             ` Reporting bugs in GNAT Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-24 13:32           ` Reporting bugs in GNAT (was: [Ada] made me hate programming) Warren
2010-08-24 17:41             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-26 12:53               ` Warren
2010-08-26 19:01                 ` Reporting bugs in GNAT Simon Wright
2010-08-26 19:53                   ` Florian Weimer
2010-08-26 20:22                     ` Simon Wright
     [not found] ` <m7mkuvmw72ec.1fan4hqr668s6.dlg@40tude.net>
2010-06-30 10:00   ` ADA made me hate programming Pascal Obry
2010-06-30 18:54   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-06-30 19:40     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-07-01  5:15       ` Simon Wright
2010-07-01 13:11         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-07-01 18:07       ` Gautier write-only
2010-07-01  0:34     ` Kulin Remailer
2010-07-01  4:47 ` Wilson
2010-07-06 21:59 ` Pablo
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