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From: Natasha Kerensikova <lithiumcat@instinctive.eu>
Subject: Re: OpenSSL development (Heartbleed)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 05:38:21 +0000 (UTC)
Date: 2014-04-23T05:38:21+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <slrnlleked.i0l.lithiumcat@nat.rebma.instinctive.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1ottu3pw9hxl1.i1h7v3r51vk0.dlg@40tude.net

On 2014-04-22, Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 16:57:28 +0000 (UTC), Simon Clubley wrote:
>> No, properly _implemented_ standards are what is required.
>> 
>> Heartbleed came about because a boundary check was missing which allowed
>> a invalid request to be processed instead of being rejected and, because
>> of the _implementation_, was allowed access to memory that had nothing to
>> do with the request.
>> 
>> This was a failure in the implementation of the standard, not a failure
>> of the standard itself.
>
> Boundary checks or not, the transport layer shall have no access to the
> server data.
>
> A tightly coupled system is vulnerable. If compromising just one component
> opens all gates wide, that is a bad standard and bad design. The effects of
> errors and faults must be bounded per design. 

How would you design a transport layer that has no access to whatever is
supposed to be transported?

"Heartbleed" didn't leak any data that ins't legitimataly needed by
OpenSSL (i.e. transported data and/or transport parameters (like keys))

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-04-23  5:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-19 14:31 OpenSSL development (Heartbleed) Alan Browne
2014-04-19 15:06 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-19 15:41   ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 15:36 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 16:00   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 16:34     ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 17:06       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 19:13         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 20:39           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 19:42       ` Alan Browne
2014-04-21 23:51       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-22 15:20         ` G.B.
2014-04-22 16:33           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-22 16:57             ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-22 19:53               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-22 20:49                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-23  5:38                 ` Natasha Kerensikova [this message]
2014-04-23  7:30                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23  7:40                     ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-04-23  8:04                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23  8:20                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-23  7:42                     ` Egil H H
2014-04-23  8:06                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 16:06   ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 16:42     ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 16:59       ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 19:12       ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 20:20         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 20:53           ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 21:10             ` [OT] OpenBSD, was: " Simon Clubley
2014-04-19 21:53               ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 22:15                 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-19 22:34                   ` Alan Browne
2014-04-20  8:17             ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-20 16:49               ` Alan Browne
2014-04-22 12:18                 ` G.B.
2014-04-19 15:47 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 16:21   ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 16:46     ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 19:22       ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 20:33         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 21:10           ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 16:50     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 19:25       ` Alan Browne
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