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From: Preben Randhol <randhol+abuse@pvv.org>
Subject: Re: Ada Advocacy.
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:39:11 +0000 (UTC)
Date: 2003-08-28T10:39:11+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <slrnbkrmso.ol.randhol+abuse@kiuk0152.chembio.ntnu.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: pan.2003.08.27.23.06.48.347151@__n_o_s_p_a_m__abyss2.demon.co.uk

Luke A. Guest wrote:
> Ok, fair enough, but why would so many courses create their own child
> packages for I/O? Does it not support printing of different types as
> standard?

I don't know. Perhaps it is the way they want to teach Ada?

But that you claim Hello world in Ada is so difficult I cannot
understand at all. Please compare:

   with Ada.Text_IO; use Ada.Text_IO;

   procedure Hello is
   begin
      Put_Line ("Hello World!");
   end Hello;

to the C++ version

   #include <iostream>

   int main()
   {
       std::cout << "Hello, world!\n";
   }

Which is more complicated to understand, remember and read for a
complete beginner in programming?

Trying to imagine the questions from a beginner I would think the
following would come up:

   Ada version:

      1. What does with Ada.Text_IO; use Ada.Text_IO; mean

   C++ version:

      1. What does #include <iostream> mean?
      2. What is int main() ?
      3. What is std::cout ?
      4. Why is there << in front of "Hello world" ?
      5. What does \n mean?

The reason I don't think there are more questions to the Ada version is
that it reads well and the beginner probably can relate to what
procedure mean as one have procedures for doing things in other
situations. I also think that Put_Line ("") is understood without
difficulty. Note I'm talking about a person who has not opened a single
computer programming book or have any other knowledge. 

I think I'll try to send these two examples to some people I know that
know nothing of programming and have then try to explain what the
program does for me :-)


Preben
-- 
�I think fish is nice, but then I think that rain is wet.
 So who am I to judge.�
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Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-26 20:33 Ada Advocacy Stephane Richard
2003-08-26 21:20 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-26 22:28   ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-26 23:04     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-27 16:15       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-27 23:06         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-28 10:39           ` Preben Randhol [this message]
2003-08-26 23:55   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-27  0:44   ` Anisimkov
2003-08-27  8:26     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-27 20:12       ` Wes Groleau
2003-08-27 23:09         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-29 16:13           ` Jon S. Anthony
2003-08-29 18:15             ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-28  8:34         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-27  8:29     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-28  5:29       ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2003-09-01 21:26   ` Dave Thompson
2003-08-27  6:56 ` David Holm
2003-08-27 16:00 ` Rod Chapman
2003-08-29  6:38 ` Adrian Hoe
2003-08-29  9:34   ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-01  5:45     ` Adrian Hoe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-03-20 12:54 Ada advocacy tonyg
2012-03-20 13:54 ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-03-20 14:39 ` Marc C
2012-03-20 15:13   ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-03-20 16:34     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-03-20 16:35       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-03-20 20:06   ` Shark8
2012-03-20 15:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-03-20 18:31 ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-03-20 21:42 ` anon
2012-03-20 23:05   ` Shark8
2012-03-21  0:32 ` Shark8
2012-03-21  1:58 ` Robert Love
2012-03-21  5:37   ` Per Sandberg
2012-03-25 11:10     ` Peter C. Chapin
2012-03-21  8:59   ` anon
2013-06-17 23:42     ` johannes falcone
2013-06-18  0:09       ` tmoran
2013-06-18  0:14     ` Leo Brewin
2013-06-18  0:59       ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-19 19:22         ` johannes falcone
2013-06-19 19:34           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-06-19 20:16             ` Shark8
2013-06-19 19:36           ` Ludovic Brenta
2013-08-30  7:36             ` johannes falcone
2013-06-18  1:28       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-06-18  5:55         ` Peter Brooks
2013-06-18 17:15           ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-18 17:43             ` Bill Findlay
2013-06-18 19:22               ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-18 19:30                 ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 13:34             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-27 14:08               ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 14:13                 ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 21:25               ` J-P. Rosen
2013-08-28  7:45                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-27 22:42               ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-08-28  7:45               ` Maciej Sobczak
2013-08-28  8:58                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-08-28  9:42                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 11:42                     ` G.B.
2013-08-28 11:59                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 12:49                         ` G.B.
2013-08-28 14:07                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 15:06                             ` Eryndlia Mavourneen
2013-08-28 17:30                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 16:44                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-28 17:25                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 23:33                           ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-08-29  7:15                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-29 14:47                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-29 19:15                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-29 15:28               ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-29 21:43                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-30 23:52                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-31  0:05                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-31  1:42                       ` Shark8
2013-08-31  2:57                       ` Shark8
2013-08-31  9:00                         ` Dirk Craeynest
2013-08-31  1:48                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-09-02  7:13                   ` Egil H H
2013-09-02  8:41                     ` G.B.
2013-09-02 16:37                       ` Egil H H
2013-08-29 15:46               ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-30  4:47                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-30 16:54                   ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-30 17:49                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-30 22:41                       ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-31  0:02                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-31 14:47                           ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-19  7:29           ` nevillednz
2013-08-27 13:39             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-09-02 18:45           ` Martin
2013-06-17 23:39   ` johannes falcone
2012-03-21 10:44 ` tonyg
2013-06-18  0:07   ` johannes falcone
2012-03-23 16:13 ` KK6GM
2013-06-13 15:33 ` david
2013-06-13 15:34 ` david
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