From: harri.haataja@cs.helsinki.fi (Harri J Haataja)
Subject: Re: Future with Ada
Date: 21 Jan 2002 22:28:11 GMT
Date: 2002-01-21T22:28:11+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <slrna4p5fl.7e3.harri.haataja@melkki.cs.Helsinki.FI> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.1008804781.18245.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org
Michal Nowak wrote:
>On 01-12-18 at 11:41 Marin David Condic wrote:
>
>>Many individual programmers are reluctant to learn or use Ada because they
>>don't see a job future in it. They see thousands of ads for jobs using
>>other
>>languages and few ads for Ada positions. If they saw more companies using
>>Ada, they might be encouraged to want to earn a living that way.
>
>There are beginners, who would like to write in Ada. There are posts to
>the group like "I'm new to Ada, I found it great, I want to learn more".
<snip>
>Maybe the point is in convincing the managers to Ada. The experience
>must come from somewhere. From little projects. So if it comes from
>somehere it means that there must be employement for inexperienced
>programmers. So if there comes to hire inexperienced programmer, why
<snip>
I believe there would be a way to sneak into somewhere and if not, at
least get a larger bulk of programmers by providing a better way for
"hobbyists" to get in.
As a complete newbie, I can say that after Lovelace, there's not much to
go to. There's a huge step before you can start getting something useful
done.
Contrasting perl, you can get going with a commandline (mostly replacing
sed and awk) and then a few lines etc. Extremely well aimed and useful
single programs. It's an easy language to get into, though it's not a
clean language. Stull you see it used for pretty big things because most
other languages are a major pain.
Also going GUI or especially DBI is amazingly easy and above all,
there's simple tutorials *that get something done* and you can expand
from that.
To avoid a DSW or holy war, let me say perl was an example only because
it has an extremely even and low curve; results often reflect this,
though.
That's just a personal view I've gotten (or a slice of, anyway).
--
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2001-11-09 17:59 Future with Ada Michal Nowak
2001-11-10 0:44 ` Adrian Hoe
2001-11-10 13:28 ` Frode Tennebø
2001-11-10 23:09 ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-11 15:10 ` Preben Randhol
2001-11-11 22:31 ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-10 17:31 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 23:09 ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-25 9:50 ` ben
2001-11-26 15:21 ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-26 19:48 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-26 20:59 ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-26 23:33 ` Jerry Petrey
2001-11-27 14:24 ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-26 22:56 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-01 18:43 ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-01 21:29 ` Suzie Cube
2001-12-10 16:25 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-10 17:03 ` Larry Hazel
2001-12-10 17:19 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-10 17:34 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-10 18:10 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-10 18:25 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-02 0:19 ` IsraelRT
2001-12-02 0:46 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-12-02 19:58 ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-03 17:25 ` Wes Groleau
2001-12-10 16:39 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-10 20:30 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-11 15:15 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-11 16:56 ` Darren New
2001-12-11 17:14 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-12 1:47 ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-12 2:47 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-12 6:38 ` Mark Biggar
2001-12-12 10:53 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-12 14:35 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-12 17:45 ` Peter Hend�n
2001-12-12 19:35 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-12 20:55 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-16 13:34 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-12 14:55 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-12 18:02 ` tmoran
2001-12-22 19:58 ` Gerhard Häring
2001-12-28 21:12 ` Containers package Eric Merritt
2001-12-29 14:11 ` Michael Erdmann
2001-12-29 23:03 ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-31 2:58 ` Nick Roberts
2001-12-31 15:09 ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-31 23:19 ` Containers package (Tenet) Nick Roberts
2002-01-01 5:45 ` Containers package Ted Dennison
2002-01-01 23:30 ` Nick Roberts
2002-01-02 0:26 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-29 22:13 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-12-12 21:49 ` Future with Ada Darren New
2001-12-14 20:22 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-11 20:36 ` XML and Ada was " Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-12 8:33 ` rob
2001-12-12 15:03 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-16 13:48 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-16 16:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-16 16:21 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-17 15:10 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17 22:32 ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-17 23:11 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-18 15:49 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-18 16:41 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 16:33 ` Mr. Caffiene
2001-12-19 17:57 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 21:07 ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-19 21:20 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 18:36 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-19 19:49 ` tmoran
2001-12-19 20:16 ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-19 21:11 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 14:15 ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-20 19:50 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-20 21:37 ` Hyman Rosen
2001-12-21 15:42 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-19 20:37 ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-19 23:36 ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-19 23:36 ` Michal Nowak
2002-01-21 22:28 ` Harri J Haataja [this message]
2001-12-18 12:56 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-12 17:03 ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-13 17:43 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-13 20:13 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-14 19:49 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-14 19:59 ` Pat Rogers
2001-12-14 21:00 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-14 23:02 ` Pat Rogers
2001-12-17 8:15 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-17 15:27 ` Pat Rogers
2001-12-17 16:29 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-12-17 17:05 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17 15:43 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17 8:15 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-17 16:03 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17 8:15 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-14 20:31 ` James Rogers
2001-12-15 1:33 ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-15 16:35 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-16 14:09 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-16 15:32 ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-17 16:31 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-15 2:44 ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-14 20:39 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-18 23:01 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-19 15:00 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20 7:23 ` tmoran
2001-12-20 22:30 ` tmoran
2001-12-20 22:43 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 20:50 ` Wes Groleau
2001-12-19 0:12 ` Portable GUI (was Re: Future with Ada) Mark Lundquist
2001-12-19 7:36 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-20 5:00 ` Steve Doiel
2001-12-20 6:19 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-20 14:33 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20 20:53 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-20 21:14 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 14:53 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-21 15:08 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 16:40 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-21 16:26 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-19 15:07 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 15:14 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 16:53 ` Darren New
2001-12-19 17:50 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20 19:37 ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-20 20:05 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-20 20:07 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20 20:28 ` Stephen Leake
2001-12-21 17:18 ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-22 18:16 ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-02 20:26 ` Future with Ada Michal Nowak
2001-12-02 19:55 ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-03 14:53 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-07 16:54 ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-07 17:14 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-09 10:56 ` Thomas Mueller
2001-12-09 13:57 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-12-11 17:45 ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-03 14:52 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-12 21:56 ` John Kern
2002-02-26 2:22 ` Michael Card
2002-02-26 4:12 ` Jim Rogers
2002-02-27 1:23 ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-27 17:51 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-02-28 17:00 ` Richard Riehle
2002-02-28 21:24 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-02-28 17:45 ` Michal Nowak
2002-02-28 18:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-02-28 19:24 ` Ed Falis
2002-03-01 0:52 ` Adrian Hoe
2002-03-01 18:11 ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-02 1:20 ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-28 21:43 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-01 5:18 ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-01 5:23 ` Dave Poirier
2002-03-01 16:45 ` Michal Nowak
2002-03-01 11:10 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-03 8:28 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-05 18:40 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-03-01 16:48 ` Michal Nowak
2002-03-01 17:26 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-03 8:26 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-03 13:28 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-03 17:47 ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-04 16:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 19:28 ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-05 17:03 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-03-05 1:41 ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-05 21:35 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-05 22:04 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-06 8:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-03-06 11:46 ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-03-06 15:03 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-07 16:08 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-07 16:25 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-09 14:51 ` Gary Scott
2002-03-09 15:13 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-09 15:54 ` named control statements (was: Future with Ada) Wes Groleau
2002-03-09 16:40 ` Gary Scott
2002-03-09 20:53 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-06 16:36 ` Future with Ada Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-06 17:27 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-07 16:04 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-07 16:42 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-11 13:52 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-11 20:02 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-11 23:56 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-12 16:47 ` code partitioning (was: Future with Ada) Wes Groleau
2002-03-12 17:56 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-13 13:42 ` labeling (was: partitioning (was: Future)) Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 12:46 ` Michal Nowak
2002-03-14 17:27 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 20:27 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-15 8:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2002-03-15 15:10 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 15:27 ` code partitioning (was: Future with Ada) John R. Strohm
2002-03-15 14:15 ` Ted Dennison
2002-03-16 10:37 ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-13 12:26 ` Future with Ada John English
2002-03-13 14:15 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-14 3:34 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 15:36 ` John R. Strohm
2002-03-14 17:43 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 11:59 ` John English
2002-03-13 15:16 ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-13 17:55 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-14 15:21 ` John R. Strohm
2002-03-07 20:52 ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-07 22:12 ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-11 18:43 ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-11 22:53 ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-06 17:07 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-05 3:45 ` Brian Rogoff
2002-03-04 1:45 ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-04 6:03 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 13:44 ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-04 16:01 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 18:14 ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-04 16:46 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-03-04 17:08 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 18:15 ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-05 16:54 ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-05 17:26 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-03-04 20:06 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-02-27 1:30 ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-27 20:09 ` Ken Pinard
2002-03-09 20:19 ` Richard Riehle
2001-11-11 20:13 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-11 22:32 ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-13 21:43 ` Maciej Sobczak
2001-11-14 16:26 ` Don
2001-11-14 19:32 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-11-14 19:46 ` David C. Hoos
2001-11-15 0:02 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-11-24 23:21 ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-14 21:22 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14 21:50 ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-15 7:39 ` Preben Randhol
2001-11-15 14:59 ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-15 15:44 ` Preben Randhol
2001-11-15 16:00 ` John English
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2002-03-06 9:24 ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-06 16:43 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-06 15:05 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-07 13:51 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-06 7:14 Christoph Grein
2002-03-06 8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-03-07 7:49 Christoph Grein
2002-03-07 14:06 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-08 7:24 Christoph Grein
2002-03-08 13:58 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-08 16:08 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-11 12:39 ` John English
2002-03-08 16:34 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-08 19:41 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-09 1:21 ` Jeffrey Carter
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