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From: gerhard.nospam@bigfoot.de (Gerhard Häring)
Subject: Re: Ada Microkernel?
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:13:25 +0200
Date: 2001-06-10T09:13:25+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <slrn9i6bu0.28n.gerhard.nospam@lilith.hqd-internal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: YSzU6.96$6d5.30076@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com

On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 02:16:34 +0100, Chris Campbell wrote:
>[...]
>> OOP code itself is not inherently slow, but rather it happens to be a
>> result of the compiler or interpreter being used.
>
>That brings up an interenting point about Ada compilers and OO, specifically
>GNAT which is what most use i think.  I see very little in the Ada 95 language
>design that would need tied to an OS, but how much is there in practise?  There
>is no point saying use OO in the kernel if the compiler uses some system
>specifics to achieve it.  The only solution would be to modify GNAT which would
>be costly if it did need it.  I ask since ppl have been pointing out the
>_potential_ uses for OO in the OS in other and in this group(s), and i plan to
>modify GNAT to support exceptions -- or more specifically the reporting of
>exceptions -- without the need for system specifics.  I might be willing to do
>something similar for objects if it's possible and providing it would be of
>benefit to ppl.  I won't do it if it's like C++ RTTI and will need substantial
>modifications to make it run.  Hopefully considering Ada's embedded and systems
>programming history this won't be an issue though.

Last time I tried to do OS programming with GNAT, I couldn't create dynamic
objects, because the GNAT runtime calls malloc, which doesn't exist in the
Linux kernel. kmalloc does exist, of course. Have you already looked into the
GNAT sources, how hard do you think it is to write a new runtime for
kernel-level programming? Are there enough docs in the GNAT sources that
describe how to write a new runtime? OK, I should of course check that myself
...

IIRC ACT are selling a GNAT version that targets RTLinux (also kernel-level),
so it must be possible.

Gerhard
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-06-10  7:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-02  1:09 Ada Microkernel? B. Douglas Hilton
2001-06-02  2:11 ` DuckE
2001-06-02  2:25 ` Gerhard Häring
2001-06-02  2:41 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-02  5:09   ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-06-02 21:31   ` B. Douglas Hilton
2001-06-02 23:21     ` chris.danx
2001-06-02 11:07 ` chris.danx
2001-06-02 20:30   ` McDoobie
2001-06-02 21:20     ` B. Douglas Hilton
2001-06-02 21:41       ` B. Douglas Hilton
2001-06-03  1:09         ` James Rogers
2001-06-02 23:00       ` chris.danx
2001-06-03  5:31         ` B. Douglas Hilton
2001-06-03 11:45           ` chris.danx
2001-06-03 22:54             ` Didier Utheza
2001-06-03 23:23               ` Florian Weimer
2001-06-04 14:37       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-04 11:52     ` Chris Campbell
2001-06-09 23:54       ` McDoobie
2001-06-10  1:16         ` Chris Campbell
2001-06-10  7:13           ` Gerhard Häring [this message]
2001-06-10 12:14             ` Samuel Tardieu
2001-06-10 17:00             ` chris.danx
2001-06-11 20:54               ` chris.danx
2001-06-11 20:58                 ` chris.danx
2001-06-11 22:30                   ` tmoran
2001-06-11 22:35                     ` chris.danx
2001-06-11 23:24                   ` Robert A Duff
2001-06-12 20:57                   ` Randy Brukardt
2001-06-11 21:38                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-11 21:44                   ` chris.danx
2001-06-12  3:09                     ` DuckE
2001-06-12 10:39                       ` Jeff Creem
2001-06-11 23:22                 ` Robert A Duff
2001-06-12  9:58                   ` chris.danx
2001-06-12 17:27                     ` tmoran
2001-06-13 10:31                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2001-06-23 14:58                     ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-06-24  0:22                       ` B. Douglas Hilton
2001-06-28  8:30                       ` Fr�d�ric BOYER
2001-06-28  9:50                         ` M. A. Alves
2001-06-28 14:21                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-28 14:39                             ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-28 15:01                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-28 17:45                               ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2001-06-28 19:03                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-28 19:15                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-28 21:52                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-29 13:16                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-29 14:59                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-29 15:22                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-29 18:21                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-02 13:50                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-02 16:57                                                 ` OPERA
2001-06-29  4:37                                     ` Brian Catlin
2001-06-29 13:18                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-29 15:09                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-29  2:45                               ` Gerhard Häring
2001-06-29  2:32                             ` Gerhard Häring
2001-06-28 10:55                         ` chris.danx
2001-06-28 17:55                         ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2001-06-29 10:29                           ` Fr�d�ric BOYER
2001-07-02  7:13                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-06-29 14:26                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-02  7:11                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-07-02 13:25                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-05 21:37                                 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2001-07-07 23:22                             ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-09 13:51                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-11 14:53           ` Ted Dennison
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2001-07-03 18:05 Michael Erdmann
2001-07-03 18:20 ` Ted Dennison
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