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From: mkgardne@cs.uiuc.edu (Mark K. Gardner)
Subject: Re: Ultimate Language feature list
Date: 1998/05/13
Date: 1998-05-13T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <slrn6ljd1g.lr2.mkgardne@perts6.cs.uiuc.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 6jc18b$lug$1@news.eclipse.net


On Wed, 13 May 1998 07:47:11 -0400, MSG <michael@pickles.org> wrote:
>I do all my development in C++.  Not necessarily because I want to, but
>because I keep looking (and looking) for alternate languages/environments
>and they ALWAYS come up short.  I've decided that the language/environment
>for me hasn't been created, so I'm starting a list of features that I
>like/require.  It's drawn from good languages (I don't consider C++ a "good"
>language", neither is Java).  If anyone would care to contribute, please
>feel free.  Who knows, maybe with enough interest we can create a
>language/environment we REALLY like and that works easily on any platform,
>allowing you to use a sophisticated  language and still access platform
>specific features for truly fantastic and stable applications.

I too have spent considerable time looking for the "ultimate language". In
the process, however, I have come to understand a few things. 

1) My ultimate language is likely not your ultimate language. While I agree
with some of the features you require, I disagree with some and would add
yet others. 

2) My ultimate language depends on what the task at hand is. In other words,
my ultimate language is not a single language but a set of languages which
are "ultimately suited" for the task at hand.

3) My ultimate language(s) change with time. I very seldom solve the same
problem twice. New problems require new solutions, which make different
features desirable.

4) Ultimately (pun intended), the language must be used by enough people for
good-quality implementations to exist on the platforms you use. This implies
that it must meet enough of the expectations of enough people to see wide
spread usage or be mandated by some governing body, such as your
employer.

5) Finally, if I spend too much time looking for my ultimate language, I
will not get enough done to justify the effort spent in finding it. Some
have called this, to paraphrase, "the best is the enemy of good enough".
While no language has all the features I desire (and none of the ones that I
despise), I have a toolbox of "good enough languages" that allow me to do my
work while continuing to look for something better.

While #5 is perhaps the most important lesson of all, I believe all of the
above decrease the probability (and desirability) that I will ever find an
ultimate language. That is not to say I would advise you to stop looking.
But I would not waste an inordinate amount of time in the search. 

[By all means, please post an announcement when you have found, created,
begged, borrowed, or even stolen the ultimate language! :) ]

Mark

-- 
Mark K. Gardner (mkgardne@cs.uiuc.edu)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Real-Time Systems Laboratory
-- 




  parent reply	other threads:[~1998-05-13  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1998-05-13  0:00 Ultimate Language feature list MSG
1998-05-13  0:00 ` John McCabe
1998-05-13  0:00 ` Charles Hixson
1998-05-14  0:00   ` Eugene Mayevski
1998-05-13  0:00 ` Mark K. Gardner [this message]
1998-05-15  0:00   ` Jussi Santti
1998-05-14  0:00 ` Mats Weber
1998-05-15  0:00 ` Chris Miller
1998-05-15  0:00   ` Stephen Bull
1998-05-20  0:00     ` John Volan
1998-05-15  0:00   ` Franck Arnaud
1998-05-15  0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1998-05-15  0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1998-05-16  0:00   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
1998-05-15  0:00 ` Nick Leaton
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1998-05-13  0:00 adam
1998-05-14  0:00 ` Rainer Joswig
1998-05-14  0:00   ` John English
1998-05-14  0:00     ` Michael F Brenner
1998-05-14  0:00       ` John McCabe
1998-05-14  0:00       ` Charles Hixson
1998-05-15  0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
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