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From: Brian May <bam@snoopy.apana.org.au>
Subject: Re: Ada.Command_Line and wildcards
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:07:52 +1100
Date: 2007-03-06T14:07:52+11:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <sa44pozjchj.fsf@margay.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1173096982.3712.37.camel@localhost

>>>>> "Georg" == Georg Bauhaus <bauhaus@futureapps.de> writes:

    Georg> Suppose you want to port some piece of Unix software to
    Georg> some other system, a text processing tool, say. The C
    Georg> source is in fact perfectly portable ANSI C. But it can be
    Georg> real hard to get the C source through the configure stage
    Georg> only because configuration _depends_ on original style Unix
    Georg> shells and the Unix process model (e.g. piped processes
    Georg> "within" a backtick (yes, I know $(), not the point),
    Georg> result to be assigned to some variable. The GNU "standard"
    Georg> config.guess is such a thing.)

The topic seems to have changed to standards.

There are POSIX standards, that define standard features required by
shells.

The only problem is that the POSIX standard can be a bit restrictive
at times. As a result, shells like bash define extensions to the base
standard.

However, Debian has a policy that any script that requires non-POSIX
shell features but declare itself to use /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh.

It still is a problem though, but at least it is getting addressed by
some vendors.

Then we get to the topic of autoconf/automake - I think I am not alone
on this newsgroup when I think they are ugly.... Again, the reason
they are ugly is due to a lack of standards - the requirement is to be
able to compile an application on different platforms that can be very
different.

    Georg> Yes, certainly. Now for contrast, if I log into a system
    Georg> where I participate in a *shared* account and where system
    Georg> defaults *must* not be changed, and find a huge list of
    Georg> predefined aliases.  I wasn't amused once when I found out
    Georg> that "unzip" was an alias, setting a number of options. And
    Georg> yes, I know how to disable aliases.  Having to debug shell
    Georg> setups isn't an argument in favor of typical Unix
    Georg> environments in my book, in particular if these are
    Georg> "immutable" system settings. But these seem to be the new
    Georg> Unix hackers' favorites.

This is a problem for any shared accounts, on any system, where it is
possible to adjust preferences. Different people will have different
preferences.
-- 
Brian May <bam@snoopy.apana.org.au>



  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-03-06  3:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-21 20:43 Ada.Command_Line and wildcards Gautier
2007-02-21 20:59 ` (see below)
2007-02-22  1:13   ` Marc A. Criley
2007-02-22  2:08   ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-22  5:59     ` (see below)
2007-02-22  8:16   ` gautier_niouzes
2007-02-22 10:25     ` Simon Wright
2007-02-22 11:02     ` Alex R. Mosteo
2007-02-24  6:34       ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-24 11:46         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-24 14:54           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-24 16:45             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-24 20:08               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-24 20:45                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-25  0:39                   ` Björn Persson
2007-02-25 16:29                   ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-24 20:26               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-25  7:46               ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-25 13:19                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-05  1:07             ` Brian May
2007-03-05  1:39               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-06  3:48                 ` Brian May
2007-03-05 12:16               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-05 13:20                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-06 12:56                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-06 15:07                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-07 22:06                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-08  5:07                         ` Simon Wright
2007-03-08  9:19                           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-08  9:28                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-08  9:16                         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 13:33                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-09 17:11                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 18:22                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-09 19:02                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 20:04                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-10 10:40                                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-11  0:15                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2007-03-11  7:59                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-11 14:55                                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-12 13:32                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2007-03-12 14:14                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-12 15:08                                         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-16  8:06                                           ` Brian May
2007-03-16 12:53                                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-10  2:12                               ` Randy Brukardt
2007-03-10 10:52                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-10 15:48                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-10 18:11                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-03-10 18:42                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-12 14:25                                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-03-12 15:17                                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 13:41                       ` Robert Deininger
2007-03-09 17:15                         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 18:58                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-03-10 10:27                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-06 15:08                     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-03-07 19:21                     ` Hyman Rosen
2007-03-07 20:27                       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-07 21:12                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-06  3:07                 ` Brian May [this message]
2007-02-24 18:28           ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-24 13:04         ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-02-24 16:16           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-25 14:18             ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-03-05  1:03         ` Brian May
2007-03-05 10:34           ` Martin Krischik
2007-03-05 20:46             ` Simon Wright
2007-02-22 11:19     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-22 13:49       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-02-22 14:25         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-22 15:12           ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-02-22 15:15           ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-02-22 15:54             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-22 18:26               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-22 19:34                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-22 20:38                   ` Simon Wright
2007-02-23  8:43                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-25 16:35                 ` wildcards with unix shells Martin Krischik
2007-02-22 16:20             ` Ada.Command_Line and wildcards Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-22 18:34               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-22 19:30                 ` Niklas Holsti
2007-02-23  1:01                 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-02-23  4:44                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-02-23  5:06                   ` Anders Wirzenius
2007-02-24 16:37                     ` Simon Wright
2007-02-25 16:42                       ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-26 20:51                         ` Simon Wright
2007-02-27  7:11                           ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-27 21:32                             ` Björn Persson
2007-02-27 21:56                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-27 22:53                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-28 13:55                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-28 14:25                                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-26 11:59                       ` Anders Wirzenius
2007-02-26 14:46                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-02-23  8:43                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-23 11:34                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-24 13:40                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-25 16:57                     ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-26 21:27                       ` Björn Persson
2007-02-27  7:18                         ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-23  8:49                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-23  9:29                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-22 17:07       ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-22 18:40         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-23 10:47         ` Rob Norris
2007-02-23 13:28         ` brian.b.mcguinness
2007-02-23 13:56           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-23 17:10           ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-22 20:12       ` Gautier
2007-02-23  1:15       ` Robert A Duff
2007-02-23  9:25         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-24  1:18           ` typed pipes (was: Ada.Command_Line and wildcards) Björn Persson
2007-02-24  8:16             ` typed pipes Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-24 13:37             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-24 16:33               ` Björn Persson
2007-02-24 20:17                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-25  1:11                   ` Björn Persson
2007-02-25  7:03                     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-23 14:45         ` Ada.Command_Line and wildcards Larry Kilgallen
2007-02-24 19:24           ` Robert A Duff
2007-02-25  6:29             ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-25 12:21               ` Robert A Duff
2007-02-25 16:22                 ` Pascal Obry
2007-02-25 16:44                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-26  5:03                     ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-26  8:44                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-26 17:11                         ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-26 17:34                           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-27 16:13                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-27 16:19                               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-27 16:39                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-27 17:56                                   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-27 20:29                               ` Randy Brukardt
2007-02-26 20:30                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-27  0:34                       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-02-27 14:52                         ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-27 20:43                           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-02-27 20:56                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-25 17:50                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-02-23 16:58         ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-23 19:12           ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-23 19:26             ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-25 17:05               ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-24  1:19           ` Björn Persson
2007-02-24  3:46             ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-24 11:42               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-25 17:02             ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-23 19:04         ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-23 19:30           ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-23 19:46             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-23 20:07             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-24  1:18             ` Björn Persson
2007-02-24 19:22           ` Robert A Duff
2007-02-24 20:26             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-25  7:32             ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-21 21:43 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
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