From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Lower bounds of Strings
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 21:08:55 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <rt39k8$j8l$1@franka.jacob-sparre.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1cc09f04-98f2-4ef3-ac84-9a9ca5aa3fd5n@googlegroups.com
IMHO, "String" shouldn't be an array at all. In a UTF-8 world, it makes
little sense to index into a string - it would be expensive to do it based
on characters (since they vary in size), and dangerous to do it based on
octets (since you could get part of a character).
The only real solution is to never use String in the first place. A number
of people are building UTF-8 abstractions to replace String, and I expect
those to become common in the coming years.
Indeed, (as I've mentioned before) I would go further and abandon arrays
altogether -- containers cover the same ground (or could easily) -- the vast
complication of operators popping up much after type declarations,
assignable slices, and supernull arrays all waste resources and cause
oddities and dangers. It's a waste of time to fix arrays in Ada -- just
don't use them.
Randy.
"Stephen Davies" <joviangm@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1cc09f04-98f2-4ef3-ac84-9a9ca5aa3fd5n@googlegroups.com...
>
> I'm sure this must have been discussed before, but the issue doesn't
> seem to have been resolved and I think it makes Ada code look ugly and
> frankly reflects poorly on the language.
>
> I'm referring to the fact that any subprogram with a String
> parameter, e.g. Expiration_Date, has to use something like
> Expiration_Date (Expiration_Date'First .. Expiration_Date'First + 1)
> to refer to the first two characters rather than simply saying
> Expiration_Date (1..2).
>
> Not only is it ugly, but it's potentially dangerous if code uses the
> latter and works for ages until one day somebody passes a slice instead
> of a string starting at 1 (yes, compilers might generate warnings,
> but that doesn't negate the issue, imho).
>
> There must be many possible solutions, without breaking compatibility
> for those very rare occasions where code actually makes use of the
> lower bound of a string.
>
> e.g. Perhaps the following could be made legal and added to Standard:
>
> subtype Mono_String is String (1 .. <>);
>
> One question with this would be whether or not to allow procedure bodies
> to specify parameters as Mono_String when the corresponding procedure
> declaration uses String.
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2021-01-05 11:04 Lower bounds of Strings Stephen Davies
2021-01-05 11:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-05 12:32 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-01-05 13:40 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-05 14:31 ` Stephen Davies
2021-01-05 17:24 ` Stephen Davies
2021-01-05 18:28 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-01-05 21:02 ` Stephen Davies
2021-01-07 10:38 ` Stephen Davies
2021-01-07 21:39 ` Randy Brukardt
2021-01-07 22:38 ` Stephen Davies
2021-01-05 12:24 ` Luke A. Guest
2021-01-05 12:49 ` Simon Wright
2021-01-05 12:51 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-01-06 3:08 ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2021-01-06 9:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-07 0:17 ` Randy Brukardt
2021-01-07 9:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-07 22:03 ` Randy Brukardt
2021-01-08 9:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-08 17:23 ` Shark8
2021-01-08 20:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-09 2:18 ` Randy Brukardt
2021-01-09 10:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-12 8:19 ` Randy Brukardt
2021-01-12 9:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-09 2:31 ` Randy Brukardt
2021-01-09 14:52 ` Why UTF-8 (was Re: Lower bounds of Strings) Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-01-09 18:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-12 7:58 ` Randy Brukardt
2021-01-11 21:35 ` Lower bounds of Strings Shark8
2021-01-12 8:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2021-01-12 20:51 ` Shark8
2021-01-12 22:56 ` Randy Brukardt
2021-01-13 12:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-13 13:27 ` AdaMagica
2021-01-13 13:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-13 14:08 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-01-14 11:38 ` AdaMagica
2021-01-14 12:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-14 13:31 ` AdaMagica
2021-01-14 14:02 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-01-14 14:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-14 15:28 ` Shark8
2021-01-14 15:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-19 21:02 ` G.B.
2021-01-19 22:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-20 20:10 ` G.B.
2021-01-20 20:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-15 10:24 ` Stephen Davies
2021-01-15 11:41 ` J-P. Rosen
2021-01-15 17:35 ` Stephen Davies
2021-01-15 19:36 ` Egil H H
2021-01-16 12:57 ` Stephen Davies
2021-01-17 14:10 ` Stephen Davies
2021-01-19 5:48 ` Randy Brukardt
2021-01-19 6:13 ` Gautier write-only address
2021-01-15 11:48 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-01-15 13:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-01-15 13:56 ` Stephen Davies
2021-01-15 15:12 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-01-15 17:22 ` Stephen Davies
2021-01-15 21:10 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2021-01-15 14:00 ` Stephen Davies
2021-01-16 9:30 ` G.B.
2021-01-16 13:13 ` Stephen Davies
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