From: rmartin@oma.com (Robert C. Martin)
Subject: Re: OO, C++, and more and more useless arguments!
Date: 1997/01/28
Date: 1997-01-28T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <rmartin-2801971237150001@pool11-019.wwa.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 32ED07B7.7E77@netright.com
In article <32ED07B7.7E77@netright.com>, david_nospam@netright.com wrote:
> Tansel Ersavas wrote:
> >
> >
> > I used Pascal, C and C++ for more than 10 years, and developed and led
> > development of >500000 loc projects, and I am sorry to say that I still
> > think they suck. I now use Smalltalk and Self and sometimes Java if I
> > have to, and couldn't be happier.
>
> I agree that the three previously mentioned languages suck, but I do
> not agree that they equal static typing. I would say that of all the
> languages you mention in the obove paragraph, Java is the best one, and
> I would consider it statically typed.
Neither of the three languages "suck". Nor do ST, Self or Java. They
are just *languages*; each useful and each with its own set of problems.
Java is a nice language; but its not perfect. There are things about
Java that I don't happen to like. (e.g. the lack of MI, manually called
destructors, lack of manual memory management; to name a few). C++
is a nice language too, but there are some things about it that I don't
like. (e.g. using destructors to clean up after exceptions, virtual
inheritance, Array/Pointer confusion, etc). Smalltalk is a nice language
too, but there are some things about it that I don't like (dynamic typing,
lack of declarable interfaces (same thing), lack of module system, difficulty
in creation of shared libraries or distributable programs, etc.)
There is no perfect language. And *no* language is going to solve all
your software problems, or multiply your productivity by a factor of 10,
or help you to write bug free code. Good engineering skills are not
intrinsic to languages. Rather they are within the engineers who weild
those languages.
--
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"One of the great commandments of science is:
'Mistrust arguments from authority.'" -- Carl Sagan
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1997-01-16 0:00 OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-01-17 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-17 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-17 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-17 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-18 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-17 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20 0:00 ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-19 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-21 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-20 0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-20 0:00 ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-21 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-21 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-21 0:00 ` Marc Robertson
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Mark Windholtz
1997-01-27 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28 0:00 ` David Hanley
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1997-01-28 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Black box or white box (Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) David L. Shang
1997-01-30 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! David L. Shang
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Mark Woodruff
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
[not found] ` <E4voIF.86o@world.std.com>
1997-02-12 0:00 ` Ulf Schuenemann
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-23 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
[not found] ` <32E9BAAC. <5ce8t3$6gv@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Alan Knight
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Ed Shirk
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-02-08 0:00 ` Robin Rosenberg
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Dennis Smith
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-28 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Luther Hampton
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-28 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Jacqueline U. Robertson
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-29 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
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1997-06-27 0:00 ` David Shang
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Mike Stark
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Ronald E Jeffries
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Mike Anderson
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Kohler Markus
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-20 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-19 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26 0:00 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26 0:00 ` George Wolke
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-19 0:00 ` Soren Skogstad Nielsen
1997-01-20 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Multiple Type Interfaces Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Dave Gibson
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28 0:00 ` david scott gibson
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-29 0:00 ` david scott gibson
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29 0:00 ` david scott gibson
1997-01-21 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Matthew S. Whiting
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-22 0:00 ` John Kuszewski
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Travis Griggs
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-27 0:00 ` John Woods
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Combining dynamic and static typing Don Harrison
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Erik M. Buck
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1997-01-25 0:00 ` Nathan M. Urban
1997-01-28 0:00 ` David L. Shang
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Luther Hampton
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Marc De Scheemaecker
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Nathan M. Urban
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Russ McClelland
1997-01-29 0:00 ` David L. Shang
[not found] ` <5d0efr$meb@news.xmission.com>
1997-02-09 0:00 ` daniel damian burden
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-27 0:00 ` David L. Shang
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-29 0:00 ` David L. Shang
1997-01-24 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Andy Bower
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26 0:00 ` William Clodius
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-21 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Bob Haugen
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Larry J. Elmore
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26 0:00 ` TanselErsavas
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-27 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26 0:00 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26 0:00 ` TanselErsavas
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Antoine Trux
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Felix Beer
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Del Archer
1997-01-27 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin [this message]
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Al Christians
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-21 0:00 ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-02-21 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-02-21 0:00 ` Chris Bitmead
1997-02-24 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-02-25 0:00 ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-21 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Richie Bielak
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Eirik Mangseth
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1997-01-26 0:00 ` Paul Perkins
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29 0:00 ` John Gale
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Defintion, again, was Re: Static vs. Dynamic typing again David L. Shang
1997-02-09 0:00 ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-10 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1997-02-14 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-25 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! David N. Smith
1997-02-15 0:00 ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Pieter Schoenmakers
1997-02-16 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Mark Windholtz
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Alan Knight
1997-02-08 0:00 ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something mu Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-23 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1997-01-24 0:00 ` traymond
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28 0:00 ` traymond
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Reflection in Ada (was: Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-30 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Tim Ottinger
1997-01-23 0:00 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-19 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-29 0:00 ` "(Sub)type" -safety Don Harrison
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-30 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-20 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Stephen J Bevan
1997-01-21 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Travis Griggs
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28 0:00 ` Russ McClelland
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27 0:00 ` John Woods
1997-01-22 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-24 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29 0:00 ` Multiple Type Interfaces Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25 0:00 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26 0:00 ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-26 0:00 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-25 0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-02-07 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-07 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-12 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-13 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
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1997-02-14 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-16 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-16 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-17 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-13 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-13 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-18 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-19 0:00 ` William Clodius
1997-02-19 0:00 ` Mike Klein
1997-02-19 0:00 ` Mike Klein
1997-02-19 0:00 ` richard
1997-02-15 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-16 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-16 0:00 ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-19 0:00 ` Dave Schaumann
1997-02-19 0:00 ` Anders Pytte
1997-02-16 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-18 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-20 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1997-02-20 0:00 ` Anders Pytte
1997-02-17 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-17 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-19 0:00 ` Mike Klein
1997-02-17 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-17 0:00 ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-19 0:00 ` David L. Shang
1997-02-21 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24 0:00 ` David L. Shang
1997-02-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-17 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-19 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-18 0:00 ` Bernard Badger
1997-02-18 0:00 ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Jon S Anthony
1997-02-21 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-22 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-23 0:00 ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Richard Katz
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1997-02-25 0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-27 0:00 ` Clayton Weaver
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