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From: rmartin@oma.com (Robert C. Martin)
Subject: Re: What is wrong with OO ?
Date: 1996/12/04
Date: 1996-12-04T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <rmartin-0412960835400001@vh1b-058.wwa.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 32A4659D.347A@shef.ac.uk


In article <32A4659D.347A@shef.ac.uk>, Ahmed <ACQ95AA@shef.ac.uk> wrote:

> Object Oriented Technology came with quite promising claims that if
achieved can benefit the software 
> development companies and organisations millions of pounds.

Those claims were not made by the engineers and researchers who "invented"
OO.  They were made by marketeers who found a new way to differentiate 
products, and by engineers who had shut off their ability to employ
critical thinking.

> 
> Some of these claims for instance
> 1 - high reusability of objects and frameworks
> 2 - Resilience to change, i.e. low software maintenance and evolution cost
> 3 - Easier understanding by the user and Natural transition between the
analysis, design, 
> implementation because they all use tangible perceived objects.
> 
> However the reality is not so bright as claimed..if so, then nobody
today thought to  develop a
> software on the traditional structural methods...
> 
> My question is what is wrong with OO ? why it did not achieved its
targets yet.?
> What are the main obstacles? 

The claims were too grandiose.  Software is still software; and it is still
hard.  There are still bugs, still ambiguous specifications, still volatile
specifications, still improperly trained engineers, still engineers who 
shouldn't be engineers, still managers who don't understand the technology
they are trying to manage, still arbitrary completion dates, etc, etc, etc.

In any case, you shouldn't be surprised when highly publicized claims are
not achieved.  Generally those claims are just part of the overall hype 
associated with any new idea.

The truth is:  (If I may be so bold as to claim to know the truth ;)

  1-  OO, when properly employed, does enhance the reusability of
      software.  But it does so at the cost of complexity and design
      time.  Reusable code is more complex and takes longer to design
      and implement.  Futhermore, it often takes two or more tries
      to create somthing that is even marginally reusable.

  2-  OO, when properly employed, does enhance the software's resilience
      to change.  But it does so at the cost of complexity and design
      time.  This trade off is almost always a win, but it is hard to
      swallow sometimes.  

  3-  OO does not necessarily make anything easier to understand.
      There is no magical mapping between the software concepts and
      every human's map of the real world.  Every person is different.
      What one person percieves to be a simple and elegant design, another
      will percieve as convoluted and opaque.

  4-  If a team has been able, by applying point 1 above, to create 
      a repository of reusable items, then development times can begin
      to shrink significantly due to reuse.

  5-  If a team has been able, by applying point 2 above, to create
      software that is resilient to change, then maintenance of that
      software will be much simpler and much less error prone.

In short.  Nothing has gone wrong with OO.  It is a technology, and it
delivers everything it was designed to deliver, and perhaps a bit more.
That it doesn't live up to the naive claims made by naive or insincere people
is unfortunate, but not unexpected.

> 
> Is the problem with the immature OO methodologies ( OO analysis and
design in specific ) ?

No, these techniques have been a major contribution to software engineering,
and have gone a long way towards improving the way we build software.

> or is it the deficiency in the development  tools used like C++ or Smalltalk ?

No, the tools are more or less adequate for the job.  IMHO, someone
who blames a language for a failure should be looking a bit closer to 
home for the cause.

> or is it the steep difference in thinking between the traditional and OO
schools ?

I don't think it's the steepness of the difference, although the difference
can be very steep.  Instead I think that it is the disagreement by OO
authorities on the endpoint of that learning curve.  

For example, some folks will tell you that the secret of OO is think of the
world in terms of objects.  Others will tell you that it is to think
of the structure of the software in terms of polymorphic interfaces.  Still
others will tell you that it is to decouple the domains of the problem
by describing them using macros that can be statically bound at compile time.

Which is right?  Which is real?  There is a *lot* of confusion out there.
That some folks might not be experiencing any of the benefits of OO does 
not surprise me.  (BTW, my own choice is one about structuring the software
in terms of polymorphic interfaces)

-- 
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Thread overview: 465+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-12-03  0:00 What is wrong with OO ? Ahmed
1996-12-03  0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-03  0:00   ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-04  0:00   ` Ahmed
1996-12-04  0:00     ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-06  0:00       ` Jeff Miller
1996-12-06  0:00         ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-14  0:00         ` Chris
1996-12-06  0:00       ` Ahmed
1996-12-06  0:00         ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-03  0:00 ` Fred Parker
1996-12-04  0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-04  0:00 ` Robert C. Martin [this message]
1996-12-04  0:00 ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-04  0:00   ` Roger T.
1996-12-04  0:00   ` Joe Winchester
1996-12-05  0:00     ` Russell Corfman
1996-12-04  0:00   ` Ahmed
1996-12-06  0:00     ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-06  0:00       ` Ralph Cook
1996-12-07  0:00         ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-09  0:00           ` Nigel Tzeng
1996-12-12  0:00             ` David Bradley
1996-12-20  0:00               ` Nigel Tzeng
     [not found]         ` <1996Dec7.151850.877@prim.demon.co.uk>
1996-12-08  0:00           ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-14  0:00             ` Kazimir Majorinc
1996-12-14  0:00               ` Jeff Miller
1996-12-16  0:00                 ` David Bradley
1996-12-14  0:00               ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-15  0:00               ` Todd Hoff
1996-12-15  0:00                 ` Patrick Ma
1996-12-16  0:00                   ` Bob Kettig
1996-12-16  0:00                   ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-15  0:00                 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-20  0:00               ` The Impossible Project: not so funny... (Was: what's wrong) Tim Ottinger
1996-12-20  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-21  0:00                 ` John DiCamillo
1996-12-22  0:00                 ` Guy Rixon
1996-12-22  0:00     ` Chip Richards
1996-12-04  0:00   ` What is wrong with OO ? Robert C. Martin
1996-12-04  0:00     ` Dr. Richard Botting
1996-12-05  0:00     ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-05  0:00       ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-06  0:00         ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-06  0:00           ` David Bradley
1996-12-08  0:00           ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-10  0:00             ` Todd Hoff
1996-12-11  0:00               ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-11  0:00               ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-11  0:00                 ` Matt Kennel
1996-12-12  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-10  0:00             ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-11  0:00             ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-05  0:00       ` Marnix Klooster
1996-12-06  0:00       ` Roger Vossler
1996-12-10  0:00         ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-10  0:00           ` Roger Vossler
1996-12-12  0:00             ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-12  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-12-11  0:00           `  Todd Knarr 
1996-12-11  0:00             ` Alan Meyer
1996-12-12  0:00             ` Ell
1996-12-12  0:00             ` Tom Bushell
     [not found]             ` <58mubr$i <58p5ou$dkm@news3.digex.net>
1996-12-13  0:00               ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-25  0:00                 ` Weiqi Gao
1996-12-25  0:00                   ` Matthew S. Whiting
1996-12-26  0:00                   ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-12-26  0:00                   ` Bob Jarvis
1996-12-26  0:00                     ` Arthur Gold
     [not found]             ` <32aefdb0..406273038@news.nstn.ca>
1996-12-14  0:00               ` "Paul E. Bennett"
1996-12-06  0:00       ` David B. Shapcott [C]
1996-12-06  0:00       ` Carl Weidling
1996-12-06  0:00       ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-10  0:00         ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-06  0:00       ` Mukesh Prasad
1996-12-10  0:00         ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-05  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-04  0:00 ` Matthew Gream
1996-12-05  0:00   ` Tim Ottinger
1996-12-05  0:00 ` Daniel Drasin
1996-12-06  0:00   ` Todd Hoff
1996-12-07  0:00     ` Nick Thurn
1996-12-14  0:00       ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-15  0:00         ` Todd Hoff
1996-12-15  0:00           ` Joseph W. Seda
1996-12-16  0:00           ` David Bradley
1996-12-19  0:00           ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-12-07  0:00     ` Steve Heller
1996-12-07  0:00       ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-09  0:00         ` Kenneth Mays
1996-12-14  0:00         ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-14  0:00           ` Patrick Ma
1996-12-18  0:00             ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-18  0:00               ` Patrick Ma
1996-12-18  0:00                 ` Caitlin
1996-12-15  0:00           ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-17  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-18  0:00               ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-27  0:00                 ` clovis
1996-12-27  0:00                   ` Jacqueline U. Robertson
1996-12-27  0:00                     ` Tore Lund
1996-12-28  0:00                       ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-28  0:00                         ` Tore Lund
1996-12-31  0:00                         ` Adam Beneschan
1996-12-31  0:00                           ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-31  0:00                           ` clovis
1996-12-31  0:00                             ` Neville Black
1996-12-31  0:00                             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-01  0:00                             ` Tom Bushell
1997-01-10  0:00                             ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-10  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00                                 ` Assembler most efficient??? (was Re: What is wrong with OO ?) Richie Bielak
1997-01-11  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-11  0:00                                     ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-01-12  0:00                                       ` Joel VanLaven
1997-01-11  0:00                                     ` James S. Rogers
1997-01-13  0:00                                     ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-15  0:00                                 ` What is wrong with OO ? Richard Kenner
1997-01-11  0:00                               ` Randy A. Ynchausti
1997-01-12  0:00                               ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-29  0:00                       ` clovis
1996-12-31  0:00                         ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-31  0:00                           ` clovis
1997-01-10  0:00                           ` Bart Samwel
1996-12-31  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-01  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-12  0:00                       ` Corey Minyard
1997-01-14  0:00                         ` Vos nom et pr�nom
1997-01-13  0:00                       ` Nick Thurn
1996-12-28  0:00                     ` clovis
1996-12-30  0:00                       ` John (Max) Skaller
1996-12-29  0:00                         ` Rosimildo da Silva
1996-12-31  0:00                         ` Ian Joyner
1997-01-03  0:00                       ` markj
1997-01-03  0:00                         ` Natan
1996-12-27  0:00                   ` Tore Lund
1996-12-28  0:00                     ` clovis
1996-12-28  0:00                       ` Tore Lund
1996-12-28  0:00                   ` Stephen Pendleton
1996-12-31  0:00                     ` Edward de Jong
1996-12-31  0:00                       ` clovis
1996-12-31  0:00                       ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-01  0:00                       ` Tore Lund
1997-01-01  0:00                         ` Tore Lund
1996-12-19  0:00               ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-17  0:00             ` Adam Beneschan
1996-12-17  0:00               ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-18  0:00                 ` Ralph Cook
1996-12-18  0:00                 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-12-19  0:00                 ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-19  0:00                 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-20  0:00                   ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-21  0:00                     ` Michael Malak
1996-12-17  0:00             ` Adam Beneschan
1996-12-17  0:00               ` Ralph Cook
1996-12-18  0:00               ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-24  0:00             ` Nigel Tzeng
1996-12-26  0:00               ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-26  0:00                 ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-16  0:00           ` Karen A. Morrissey
1996-12-16  0:00             ` Bob Kettig
1996-12-17  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-17  0:00             ` David Bradley
1996-12-09  0:00       ` Todd Hoff
1996-12-10  0:00         ` Snowball queries
1996-12-10  0:00         ` Steve Heller
1996-12-12  0:00         ` Samuel S. Shuster
1996-12-12  0:00           ` Dr. Richard Botting
1996-12-13  0:00           ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-16  0:00             ` Samuel S. Shuster
1996-12-16  0:00               ` Bob Kettig
1996-12-16  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-17  0:00               ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-18  0:00                 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-18  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1996-12-18  0:00                     ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-19  0:00                     ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1996-12-20  0:00                       ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-19  0:00                     ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-23  0:00                       ` David Bradley
1996-12-23  0:00                         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1996-12-19  0:00                     ` David Bradley
1996-12-20  0:00                       ` Chris Brand
     [not found]                       ` <01bbee11$dcae8460$ca61e426@DCorbit.solutionsiq.com>
1996-12-23  0:00                         ` David Bradley
1996-12-19  0:00                   ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-27  0:00                     ` clovis
1996-12-17  0:00               ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-15  0:00     ` Damon Feldman
1996-12-06  0:00   ` Steve Heller
1996-12-06  0:00   ` David Bradley
1996-12-13  0:00   ` drush
1996-12-18  0:00   ` Matt Austern
1996-12-19  0:00     ` Risto Lankinen
1996-12-20  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-20  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-20  0:00   ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-20  0:00   ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-26  0:00     ` What sells IT (was: What is wrong with OO ?) Cameron Laird
1996-12-20  0:00   ` What is wrong with OO ? Bill Gooch
1996-12-23  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-23  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-26  0:00   ` drush
1996-12-26  0:00   ` drush
1996-12-05  0:00 ` Nick Thurn
1996-12-06  0:00 ` Ranjan Bagchi
1996-12-06  0:00   ` Myles Williams
1996-12-06  0:00 ` Myles Williams
1996-12-07  0:00 ` Kazimir Majorinc
1996-12-14  0:00   ` Chris
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-12-04  0:00 Ell
1996-12-04  0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-04  0:00 Ell
1996-12-05  0:00 Ell
1996-12-05  0:00 ` Brian Gridley
1996-12-05  0:00   ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-05  0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-05  0:00 Ell
1996-12-06  0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-06  0:00 Ell
1996-12-06  0:00 ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-06  0:00 ` Thomas Gagne
1996-12-06  0:00   ` Bob Crispen
1996-12-14  0:00     ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-10  0:00   ` Art Schwarz
1996-12-06  0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-07  0:00   ` Steve Heller
1996-12-06  0:00 Ell
1996-12-06  0:00 ` H Brett Bolen
1996-12-06  0:00   ` Prashant Gupta
1996-12-14  0:00   ` Chris
1996-12-06  0:00 ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-06  0:00   ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-09  0:00     ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-12  0:00     ` Frederick Sickert
1996-12-06  0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-07  0:00 Ell
1996-12-07  0:00 ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-10  0:00   ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-14  0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
     [not found]   ` <01bbeb6f$e2220c40$371883cc@beast.advancedsw.com>
1996-12-16  0:00     ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-17  0:00       ` Roger T.
1996-12-18  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
     [not found]           ` <01bbed37$23deaa80$371883cc@beast.advancedsw.com>
1996-12-19  0:00             ` Matt Kennel
1996-12-19  0:00         ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-16  0:00   ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-16  0:00     ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-18  0:00       ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-19  0:00         ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-18  0:00 ` drush
1996-12-11  0:00 Ell
1996-12-13  0:00 ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-13  0:00   ` Ronald Servant
1996-12-13  0:00     ` matt
1996-12-13  0:00       ` Dan Stubbs
1996-12-18  0:00     ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-11  0:00 Ell
1996-12-13  0:00 Ell
1996-12-13  0:00 ` drush
1996-12-15  0:00   ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-16  0:00     ` Nick Leaton
1996-12-16  0:00       ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-16  0:00     ` Bill Gooch
1996-12-19  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1996-12-14  0:00 Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-16  0:00 ` Tom Bushell
1996-12-22  0:00 ` Willy
1996-12-24  0:00   ` Fraser Wilson
1996-12-14  0:00 Ell
1996-12-15  0:00 Ell
1996-12-15  0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-15  0:00 Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-16  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-12-18  0:00 Ell
1996-12-18  0:00 ` Patrick Ma
1996-12-19  0:00 Ell
1996-12-24  0:00 Ell
1996-12-27  0:00 Ell
1996-12-28  0:00 Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-28  0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1996-12-31  0:00 Ell
1996-12-31  0:00 ` Ian Joyner
1996-12-31  0:00   ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-01  0:00     ` Tom Bushell
1997-01-02  0:00     ` Thaddeus L. Olczyk
1997-01-07  0:00   ` drush
1996-12-31  0:00 ` Nigel Tzeng
1996-12-31  0:00 Ell
1996-12-31  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-02  0:00   ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-03  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-03  0:00     ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-31  0:00 ` clovis
1996-12-31  0:00   ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-01  0:00     ` Nick Thurn
1997-01-02  0:00 ` Ian Joyner
1997-01-02  0:00   ` David L. Shang
1997-01-01  0:00 Ell
1997-01-01  0:00 Ell
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1997-01-01  0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-01-08  0:00 ` Paul Eric Menchen
1997-01-01  0:00 Ell
1997-01-01  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-02  0:00   ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-03  0:00     ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-03  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-03  0:00   ` Matt Austern
1997-01-04  0:00   ` Valerie Torres
1997-01-06  0:00     ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-09  0:00         ` Simon Willcocks
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-09  0:00         ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-10  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-12  0:00                 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Jay Martin
1997-01-09  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00               ` Jay Martin
1997-01-12  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00                   ` Laurent Gasser
1997-01-15  0:00                     ` Jay Martin
1997-01-15  0:00                     ` Jonas Nygren
1997-01-17  0:00                       ` Tom Bushell
1997-01-17  0:00                         ` Michael Malak
1997-01-17  0:00                           ` Kent Budge, sandia, 
1997-01-17  0:00                         ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-10  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-10  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-10  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-12  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-12  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00               ` Jay Martin
1997-01-10  0:00                 ` Joe Buck
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1997-01-12  0:00             ` Slavik Zorin
1997-01-11  0:00           ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-12  0:00             ` Thierry Goubier
1997-01-14  0:00               ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-14  0:00             ` Vos nom et pr�nom
1997-01-16  0:00               ` Mark Woodruff
1997-01-17  0:00               ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-09  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-09  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-10  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-10  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-09  0:00         ` William Clodius
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-10  0:00           ` Michael Malak
1997-01-10  0:00             ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-12  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-10  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-09  0:00       ` Bjarne Stroustrup
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1997-01-15  0:00           ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1997-01-19  0:00             ` Jay Martin
1997-01-27  0:00               ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-30  0:00                 ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-20  0:00             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-21  0:00               ` John W. Sarkela
1997-01-23  0:00               ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-23  0:00             ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-26  0:00             ` Sean Case
1997-01-26  0:00               ` William Grosso
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Paul Keister
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Dann Corbit
1997-01-12  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-13  0:00           ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-12  0:00         ` Matt Telles
1997-01-15  0:00           ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1997-01-19  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-14  0:00         ` Vos nom et pr�nom
1997-01-16  0:00           ` Patrick Doyle
1997-01-16  0:00             ` Risto Lankinen
1997-01-16  0:00               ` Patrick Doyle
1997-01-16  0:00                 ` Risto Lankinen
1997-01-18  0:00                 ` Robert C. Martin
     [not found]           ` <01bc0269$3fd55b20$ca61e426@DCorbit.solutionsiq.com>
1997-02-10  0:00             ` richard
1997-02-10  0:00               ` Nick Leaton
     [not found]                 ` <3303A993.759E@pratique.fr>
1997-02-21  0:00                   ` Nick Leaton
1997-02-22  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-02-21  0:00                   ` Nick Leaton
1997-02-10  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-20  0:00         ` David Emery
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1997-01-10  0:00         ` Simon Willcocks
1997-01-10  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00             ` Marky Mark
1997-01-10  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-12  0:00                 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-12  0:00                   ` Josh Stern
1997-01-12  0:00             ` Martin ELLISON
1997-01-14  0:00               ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-17  0:00     ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-19  0:00       ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-11  0:00     ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1997-01-21  0:00       ` rharlos*cybercomm.net
1997-02-10  0:00       ` richard
1997-02-10  0:00         ` Charles A. Jolley
1997-02-11  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-02-17  0:00             ` Sam Inala
1997-02-17  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-02-15  0:00           ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-11  0:00         ` Vlastimil Adamovsky
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-10  0:00   ` Pieter Schoenmakers
1997-01-12  0:00     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-10  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-12  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-12  0:00   ` Chris Morgan
1997-01-11  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-12  0:00   ` Chris Morgan
1997-01-13  0:00   ` Chris Morgan
1997-01-13  0:00   ` Pieter Schoenmakers
1997-01-13  0:00     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-13  0:00   ` ak
1997-01-23  0:00   ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-26  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-23  0:00   ` Ulrich Windl
1997-01-23  0:00   ` Chris Bitmead
1997-01-08  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-01  0:00 Ell
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1997-01-02  0:00     ` Bill Hunter
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1997-01-03  0:00   ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-06  0:00   ` Steven Perryman
1997-01-08  0:00     ` Russ McClelland
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1997-02-12  0:00   ` David B. Shapcott [C]
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1997-02-17  0:00         ` phil
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1997-02-12  0:00   ` Ketil Z Malde
1997-02-13  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-02-13  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-15  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-16  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
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