From: Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: left-to-right (was In-Out Parameters for functions)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:12:39 +0100
Date: 2004-03-01T12:12:39+01:00 [thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: mailman.38.1077974565.327.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org
On 28 Feb 2004 08:22:20 -0500, Stephen Leake <Stephe.Leake@nasa.gov>
wrote:
>Dmitry A.Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> writes:
>
>> On 27 Feb 2004 09:07:12 -0500, Stephen Leake <Stephe.Leake@nasa.gov>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> >Why is that better? The goal is to have code that works (meaning
>> >> >produces correct results :), on all compilers/platforms.
>> >>
>> >> But the code has some semantics it implements, at least I hope it is
>> >> so (:-)). This semantics is either order-dependent or not. That does
>> >> not depend on platform. The goal is to implement that semantics. The
>> >> rest does Ada.
>> >
>> >Right. And _if_ the semantics happens to be order-dependent, then to
>> >be portable, the same order must be used on every compiler/platform.
>>
>> Then the semantics has to be *explicitly* expressed in the code, as an
>> important part of implementation. The code reader should clearly see
>> it, and say, aha!
>
>Yes! the code should certainly express the desired semantics!
>
>I'm not clear what your point here is.
Expression notation was designed to resemble the mathematical one,
which has no evaluation order. A sequential order in a formula is a
rare exception. The left-to-right sequential order is an exception of
exception. If we want to define an order, then we should use a
notation that clearly indicates the order. An infix notation does not.
To pretend that it does would be misleading.
>> >So we need to talk about why you believe this to be the case - we
>> >cannot simply say "yes, you are right".
>>
>> We cannot, because it would mean that there are no cases where the
>> semantics is order-independent.
>
>Why is that a problem?
>
>Matrix multiply semantics is order-dependent (not evaluation order,
>but multiply order).
You mean that matrix multiplication is not commutative (A*B /= B*A)?,
because it is associative: A*(B*C) = (A*B)*C.
> Again, I'm not getting your point.
When I see A*B*C in a program I do expect that "*" is a multiplicative
operation. Further I expect that operands evaluation order is
irrelevant, because the notation tells nothing about it, and I really
do not want ARM to specify it. It would break the abstraction. Should
I really know whether A is a function, reference or a register? Isn't
dereferencing A an evaluation? Should that also be made left-to-right?
Are cache effects relevant? Should ARM define them?
>> Occam's razor priciple - to have code valid under possibly least
>> strong assumtions. Weaker they are, higher is the code quality.
>
>Then we should all be using SPARK.
I do not think so. SPARK limits many things to gain checkability. This
actually also violates the principle of least strong assumtion, as
left-to-right order would do. The difference is that SPARK gives a
valuable gain - checkability. I feel that left-to-right order rather
makes error detection harder, by making broken code working. Maybe it
would appropriate to remember PL/1 lessons here. They also tried to
specify a conversion in all possible cases. Made it PL/1 more
portable, readable?
>There is a trade off to be made;
>readability vs portability vs efficiency. Ada 95 made one choice for
>the trade off; we are discussing other possible choices.
I hope that it can be reconciled by wider using DbC. If a user-defined
operation has an interesting side-effect, that should be specified in
the contract and later checked in all cases where the side-effect is
used.
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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