From: Dave Head <rally2xs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: A Customer's Request For Open Source Software
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:05:12 -0400
Date: 2003-08-27T06:05:12-04:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <r50pkvkhtruvqmtvdh1rhk57vunk01e6gu@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3F4B57D7.8070702@noplace.com
This is correct. Anything that doesn't have a transfer of money or other
consideration has no incentive for the provider to be concerned with the
consumer's satisfaction.
Its like socialized medicine. Anyone can get a taste of that if they join the
military. I was about as sick as I'd ever been, fever, etc. and went to the
doctor in Ft. Monmouth, NJ. Got aspirin, nothing else. Now, it may have been
a virus and there was no real treatment for it, but they didn't bother to
explain that. That's the real difference. Like all other "free" services, or
goods, that was not a concern of theirs.
Dave Head
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:51:44 GMT, Marin David Condic <nobody@noplace.com>
wrote:
>Yes, user interface is important. But also a lot of other usability
>factors. Many "Open Source" things out there might have some marvelous
>functionality but you have to download them, then all the pieces they
>rely on and maybe you have to compile them. Perhaps you then discover
>there are subtle differences in your system versus the author's system
>and you're trying to figure out what switch settings or environment
>variables you have to tweak, etc.
>
>Whereas with a typical application bought from a commercial company, one
>expects to insert the disk, click on "Install", answer "Yes" to
>everything and see the app come up and work. It had better have either
>really easy to understand features on its face or it had better have
>really good documentation - or both. If it doesn't look good in these
>and other respects, the company will be out of business soon. Whereas
>your typical freebie download "Open Source" project can easily afford to
>say "If you don't like it, go pile sand! I'm a *volunteer* and you're
>getting it *free*."
>
>That's basically what I meant about an "Open Source" project needing to
>meet up with certain quality expectations people will have in the
>business world. Not all Open Source projects are going to be a pile of
>defication and not all commercial products are going to be amazing
>wonders. But if one wants to make an Open Source product that is going
>to draw users away from shrink-wrapped packages from commercial vendors,
>one had better look at the market's expectations and what the
>competition is doing *right* in meeting with them.
>
>Commercial software users are not "geeks". They don't find great
>pleasure in tinkering with an app or marveling at how wonderfully it was
>constructed internally. They want to take it out of the box and use it
>to get a job done. That's what "Open Source" has to deal with if it
>wants to overcome Microsoft's market dominance.
>
>
>MDC
>
>
>Stephane Richard wrote:
>>
>> And to that, I have to agree. A good user interface (in today's business
>> world) is just as important than good functionality. Let's face it,
>> business users today just dont want to have to do Shift-Ctrl-Alt-F4 to get
>> something to print. they wanna click the file menu, then print. Or they
>> want to push that little button with the Printer drawn on it. It's been my
>> professional experiences. Some hard core users like to have that complicate
>> key combo.
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Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-08-21 12:35 A Customer's Request For Open Source Software Marin David Condic
2003-08-21 12:46 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-22 12:32 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-22 13:38 ` David Holm
2003-08-22 14:33 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-22 16:40 ` David Holm
2003-08-23 13:18 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-25 8:27 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-25 20:50 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-26 1:28 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-26 9:27 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-26 17:06 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-26 12:51 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-26 18:25 ` Wes Groleau
2003-08-27 10:05 ` Dave Head [this message]
2003-08-27 12:11 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-27 19:45 ` [off-topic] military medicine Wes Groleau
2003-08-30 17:33 ` A Customer's Request For Open Source Software Jan Kroken
2003-09-01 10:03 ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-17 18:21 ` Jan Kroken
2003-08-22 16:46 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-22 17:09 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-22 18:03 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-25 8:33 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-23 13:05 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-30 5:58 ` Adrian Hoe
2003-08-30 11:09 ` Stephane Richard
[not found] ` <rti721-4p3.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-08-31 18:28 ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-02 15:44 ` Adrian Hoe
2003-08-30 13:18 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-21 20:46 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-21 21:12 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-22 20:26 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-22 3:09 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-22 12:45 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-22 20:46 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-22 12:37 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-22 18:59 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-22 20:59 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-23 13:24 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-25 19:35 ` Brien
2003-08-25 8:52 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-25 16:32 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-26 9:19 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-26 21:01 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-27 5:15 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-21 22:53 ` David Holm
2003-08-21 23:11 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-22 0:04 ` David Holm
2003-08-22 0:17 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-22 0:19 ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-22 17:49 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-22 20:56 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-23 2:29 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-24 2:54 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-24 3:11 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-08-24 14:57 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-24 16:31 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-25 12:37 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-25 14:08 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-25 21:07 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-26 18:34 ` Christopher Browne
2003-08-27 12:21 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-27 13:37 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-28 22:04 ` chris
2003-08-29 1:02 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-29 10:46 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-08-29 21:15 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-29 16:10 ` Jon S. Anthony
2003-08-30 19:01 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-30 22:57 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-31 23:04 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-01 2:09 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-01 16:29 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-01 21:22 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-02 2:12 ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-02 4:16 ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-02 14:53 ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-02 19:52 ` Charlie Spitzer
2003-09-03 2:18 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-12 12:21 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-12 17:49 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13 5:49 ` Edward Rice
2003-09-13 18:59 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-12 20:45 ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-02 16:16 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-03 2:36 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-01 21:44 ` Larry Kilgallen
[not found] ` <e2e5731a.0309010Organization: LJK Software <og4DamrQ9AuX@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-09-03 3:02 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-03 16:57 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-04 7:19 ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-05 17:06 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-05 19:27 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-03 12:38 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-06 2:10 ` Larry Kilgallen
[not found] ` <e2e5731a.03090Organization: LJK Software <D1upWhxUuOLF@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-09-06 20:34 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-06 23:36 ` Larry Kilgallen
[not found] ` <hli721-4p3.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-08-31 2:35 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-22 20:49 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-23 1:47 ` jim hopper
2003-08-23 1:47 ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-08-25 9:12 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-25 8:59 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-25 8:02 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-25 20:55 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-26 9:28 ` Preben Randhol
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