* Rational vs SunAda @ 1996-09-04 0:00 David Chase 1996-09-04 0:00 ` David Mercer ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: David Chase @ 1996-09-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) My company is currently in the process of acquiring Ada development tools to support a new project. We budgeted for SunAda but I believe that this is the same as Rational Ada. I have had difficulty in trying to get answers from Sun and Rational concerning whether the offerings from both are the same and even whether the current version is validated Ada95. If so, I would also like to know whether Ada83 compatibility can be enforced through pragmas or compiler switches. If anyone has experience with these products, I'd appreciate some help. You can post here or Email me at lincom@ultranet.com. Thanks. Dave Chase ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Rational vs SunAda 1996-09-04 0:00 Rational vs SunAda David Chase @ 1996-09-04 0:00 ` David Mercer 1996-09-05 0:00 ` David Emery 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: David Mercer @ 1996-09-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Apex v2.0.8F is the latest and Rational only supports a Small subset of the 95 extensions. Enforcement of 83 is simply a switch in the environment. I would look at Thompson Software for a validates 95 compiler. I hear that their Object Ada is pretty good. DAve David Chase <lincom@ultranet.com> wrote: >My company is currently in the process of acquiring Ada development >tools to support a new project. We budgeted for SunAda but I believe >that this is the same as Rational Ada. I have had difficulty in trying >to get answers from Sun and Rational concerning whether the offerings >from both are the same and even whether the current version is validated >Ada95. If so, I would also like to know whether Ada83 compatibility can >be enforced through pragmas or compiler switches. > >If anyone has experience with these products, I'd appreciate some help. >You can post here or Email me at lincom@ultranet.com. >Thanks. > >Dave Chase -- Dave Mercer, MEng, PEng Software Kinetics Ltd. 65 Iber Road Stittsville, Ontario, Canada K2S 1E7 Ph. 613-831-0888 Fax. 613-831-1836 EMail. dave.mercer@sofkin.ca ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Rational vs SunAda 1996-09-04 0:00 ` David Mercer @ 1996-09-05 0:00 ` David Emery 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: David Emery @ 1996-09-05 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) I'd use GNAT... dave -- <.sig is away on vacation> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Rational vs SunAda 1996-09-04 0:00 Rational vs SunAda David Chase 1996-09-04 0:00 ` David Mercer @ 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Jerome Desquilbet 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Greg Baker 3 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Samuel Tardieu @ 1996-09-05 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Chase >>>>> "David" == David Chase <lincom@ultranet.com> writes: David> My company is currently in the process of acquiring Ada David> development tools to support a new project. We budgeted for David> SunAda but I believe that this is the same as Rational Ada. I David> have had difficulty in trying to get answers from Sun and David> Rational concerning whether the offerings from both are the David> same and even whether the current version is validated David> Ada95. If so, I would also like to know whether Ada83 David> compatibility can be enforced through pragmas or compiler David> switches. The company I was working for last year was using SunAda. Each time we had to call the hotline because of a compiler bug, the call has been redirected directly to Rational. So, if you want not to loose 1 day each time you find a bug, I'd suggest you buy the compiler directly from Rational. During the whole year (from 95/09 to 96/08), I've compiled the same code on SunAda, Thomsoft and GNAT compilers. While SunAda was probably the best compiler at the beginning, GNAT has been chosen to go on because of the stability of the 3.05 release, even for Ada83 code. AFAIK, GNAT is not validated yet for Sun because noone paid for it. You should contact support@gnat.com (right address ?) to get more information about the validation process. Hope this helps. Sam -- Samuel Tardieu -- sam@ada.eu.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Rational vs SunAda 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu @ 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 1996-09-05 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Sam said "AFAIK, GNAT is not validated yet for Sun because noone paid for it. You should contact support@gnat.com (right address ?) to get more information about the validation process." Right, GNAT is not yet validated on Solaris. The reason that Sam gives is not quite right--it's more a simple matter of priorities and scheduling. Our plan is to validate a number of implementations later this calendar year, including probably the Sun/Solaris port. We will aim at 100% passage of all tests in the core and *all* optional special needs annexes. Our current status is that we are passing 100% of the basic C tests, virtually all the B tests, and we are about 30 tests short on the Ada 95 C tests (that figure includes the core and all the special needs annexes). We see no major problems in passing these last few tests. Robert Dewar Ada Core Technologies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Rational vs SunAda 1996-09-04 0:00 Rational vs SunAda David Chase 1996-09-04 0:00 ` David Mercer 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu @ 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Jerome Desquilbet 1996-09-05 0:00 ` James Squire 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Greg Baker 3 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Jerome Desquilbet @ 1996-09-05 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Chase Hello, Sun and Rational Ada 83 compilers are the roughly the same (developped by Rational). Sun's compiler is SunAda and Rational's compiler is VADS. There are Ada 83 compilers. The Rational Ada 95 IDE is Apex (see http://www.rational.com/pst/products/apexada.html). Jerome. ______________________________________________________________________ Jerome Desquilbet jDesquilbet@Rational.COM ' ^ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Rational vs SunAda 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Jerome Desquilbet @ 1996-09-05 0:00 ` James Squire 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Dennison 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: James Squire @ 1996-09-05 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Jerome Desquilbet wrote: > Sun and Rational Ada 83 compilers are the roughly the same (developped > by Rational). Sun's compiler is SunAda and Rational's compiler is VADS. > There are Ada 83 compilers. I could have sworn SunAda WAS VADS, especially since VADS stands for Verdix Ada Development System, and since Sun only markets it. I stop short of disputing the "horse's mouth", but my impression was that Rational's Ada 83 compiler is the one in Apex and is quite different than VADS. -- James Squire mailto:jsquire@mdc.com MDA Avionics Tools & Processes McDonnell Douglas Aerospace http://www.mdc.com/ Opinions expressed here are my own and NOT my company's "The last time I gave an interview, they told me to just relax and say what I really felt. Ten minutes after the broadcast, I got transferred to an outpost so far off the starmap, you couldn't find it with a hunting dog and a Ouiji board." -- Sinclair, "Infection" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Rational vs SunAda 1996-09-05 0:00 ` James Squire @ 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Dennison 1996-09-06 0:00 ` James Squire 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Dennison @ 1996-09-05 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) James Squire wrote: > > Jerome Desquilbet wrote: > > > Sun and Rational Ada 83 compilers are the roughly the same (developped > > by Rational). Sun's compiler is SunAda and Rational's compiler is VADS. > > There are Ada 83 compilers. > > I could have sworn SunAda WAS VADS, especially since VADS stands for > Verdix Ada Development System, and since Sun only markets it. > > I stop short of disputing the "horse's mouth", but my impression was that > Rational's Ada 83 compiler is the one in Apex and is quite different than > VADS. I believe the piece of the puzzle that you are missing is that Rational BOUGHT Verdix a few years ago. Thus Rational now sells VADS, Apex (and on some platforms, Meridian) Ada compilers. Sun, rather than make their own Ada compiler (like DEC with DECAda), sells a VADS compiler repackaged as "SunAda". > "The last time I gave an interview, they told me to just relax and say > what > I really felt. Ten minutes after the broadcast, I got transferred to an > outpost so far off the starmap, you couldn't find it with a hunting dog > and a Ouiji board." "Zog." -- email - mailto:dennison@iag.net homepage - http://www.iag.net/~dennison ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Rational vs SunAda 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Dennison @ 1996-09-06 0:00 ` James Squire 1996-09-07 0:00 ` Dennison 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: James Squire @ 1996-09-06 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Dennison wrote: > I believe the piece of the puzzle that you are missing is that Rational BOUGHT > Verdix a few years ago. Thus Rational now sells VADS, Apex (and on some > platforms, Meridian) Ada compilers. No, I have that piece and I assumed everyone else did too. > Sun, rather than make their own Ada compiler (like DEC with DECAda), sells a > VADS compiler repackaged as "SunAda". I believe I already said that. > > "The last time I gave an interview, they told me to just relax and say > > what > > I really felt. Ten minutes after the broadcast, I got transferred to an > > outpost so far off the starmap, you couldn't find it with a hunting dog > > and a Ouiji board." > > "Zog." And your reply to my posting is just as articulate as this reply by the "First Ones" ;-) My point was that the person from Rational was implying that Rational Ada (which is part of APEX) = VADS, and I was contesting that. Does that make it more clear? On the other hand I may be the one that is confused, I don't know. You see, to me Rational Ada is the one in APEX, and VADS is a separate development environment apart from APEX and I still assume that it is a different compiler. However, I'm beginning to think that when the original poster asked about Rational Ada, he may have meant VADS. If so, then maybe I should just mind my own business ;-) -- James Squire mailto:jsquire@mdc.com MDA Avionics Tools & Processes McDonnell Douglas Aerospace http://www.mdc.com/ Opinions expressed here are my own and NOT my company's "On Narn, we heard the decision to surrender came from your holy men. A secret group called the Gray Council. Weak, frightened old fools with no vision or the will to fight." -- G'Kar (to Delenn), "The Gathering" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Rational vs SunAda 1996-09-06 0:00 ` James Squire @ 1996-09-07 0:00 ` Dennison 1996-09-13 0:00 ` David Taylor 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Dennison @ 1996-09-07 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) James Squire wrote: > > My point was that the person from Rational was implying that Rational Ada > (which is part of APEX) = VADS, and I was contesting that. Does that > make it more clear? Yes. But technicaly VADS and APEX are now BOTH "Rational Ada" (which was my point). That makes it perfectly legitimate (although confusing) to call VADS "Rational Ada". I'd make an equation to illustrate my point like you did, but my keyboard doesn't have the "is a subset of" character. :-) -- email - mailto:dennison@iag.net homepage - http://www.iag.net/~dennison ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Rational vs SunAda 1996-09-07 0:00 ` Dennison @ 1996-09-13 0:00 ` David Taylor 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: David Taylor @ 1996-09-13 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Dennison wrote: > > James Squire wrote: > > > > > My point was that the person from Rational was implying that Rational Ada > > (which is part of APEX) = VADS, and I was contesting that. Does that > > make it more clear? > > Yes. But technicaly VADS and APEX are now BOTH "Rational Ada" (which was my > point). That makes it perfectly legitimate (although confusing) to call VADS > "Rational Ada". > > I'd make an equation to illustrate my point like you did, but my keyboard > doesn't have the "is a subset of" character. :-) > > -- > email - mailto:dennison@iag.net > homepage - http://www.iag.net/~dennison One way of telling the difference between VADS and APEX is checking to see whether or not the "Def" or "Show Usage (World)" keys work on your keyboard. dt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Rational vs SunAda 1996-09-04 0:00 Rational vs SunAda David Chase ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Jerome Desquilbet @ 1996-09-05 0:00 ` Greg Baker 3 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Greg Baker @ 1996-09-05 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) David Chase <lincom@ultranet.com> writes: > My company is currently in the process of acquiring Ada development > tools to support a new project. We budgeted for SunAda but I believe > that this is the same as Rational Ada. I have had difficulty in trying > to get answers from Sun and Rational concerning whether the offerings > from both are the same and even whether the current version is validated > Ada95. If so, I would also like to know whether Ada83 compatibility can > be enforced through pragmas or compiler switches. > > If anyone has experience with these products, I'd appreciate some help. > You can post here or Email me at lincom@ultranet.com. > Thanks. > On a mildly related topic, I can relate reasonably joy and happiness using Xemacs + GNAT under Solaris. I don't know what extra things Rational provides (so I don't know what I'm missing out on), but I would happily recommend my *free* development environment to anyone. -- Gregory D. Baker gbaker@rp.csiro.au CSIRO Radiophysics - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - predictions of the future - quantum computers - silly poetry - - the "langue musicale universale" (Solresol) revival project - - - - - - - - - http://www.rp.csiro.au/~gbaker - - - - - - - - - I'm an eccentric mathematician/IT guru/communicator, and I'm looking for a new job in Sydney, Australia. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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