From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <warren@ve3wwg.tk>
Subject: Re: Standard Ada Preprocessor
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:58:34 -0500
Date: 2004-01-29T12:58:34-05:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <qQbSb.57519$Kg6.643416@news20.bellglobal.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <101ghqq1bpk3m6e@corp.supernews.com>
Randy Brukardt wrote:
> "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <warren@ve3wwg.tk> wrote in message
> news:a%ARb.52241$Kg6.386478@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>Randy Brukardt wrote:
> ....
>>>What is the point of having that functionality? Any code depending on it
> is
>>>by definition not portable.
>>
>>Performance!
>>
>>Some platforms for instance support asynchronous I/O.
>>Some with bugs, others not at all. If you are writing
>>servers, that BTW are very performance sensitive, then
>>if you can determine that asynch I/O works properly
>>(and well) on a given platform, then you're going to
>>use it! Anything less is inferior.
>
> Truly high-performance applications are by definition, not portable.
This is a "head in the sand" argument, if I may say so. C/C++
code does this every day. To say that Ada shouldn't or needn't
is statement of denial. That is my only point.
>>>useful with, such as fall back to something that is supported).
>>
>>That will really help performance. Let's add some unnecessary
>>exceptions!
>
>
> Different problem. We're trying to get the code to run unmodified on as many
> targets as possible. Having it being self-adapting is very valuable in that
> aim. (Hopefully, even the binarys can run on most targets unmodified.)
>
> Randy.
This is like probing hardware when Linux boots. Hardware is
getting better, so that probes don't hang etc., but this adds
time to the boot process, and for some hardware configs, is
unstable and leads to hangs.
Testing a version of a Linux kernel for a working asynch I/O
API or not, seems much like the same thing. Its ugly, its
dangerous and leads to more problems than it solves. It is
much better to work all of that out at compile time, and never
deal with it again.
--
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
http://ve3wwg.tk
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2004-01-17 11:15 why ada is so unpopular ? Szymon Guz
2004-01-17 13:53 ` Martin Dowie
2004-01-17 14:27 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2004-01-17 21:02 ` Szymon Guz
2004-01-17 22:36 ` Adrian Knoth
2004-01-18 9:21 ` Szymon Guz
2004-01-18 12:18 ` Luke A. Guest
2004-01-18 13:09 ` Ronald Dauster
2004-01-18 12:59 ` Ronald Dauster
2004-01-18 13:25 ` Stephane Richard
2004-01-18 14:17 ` Szymon Guz
2004-01-18 14:42 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-18 15:23 ` Szymon Guz
2004-01-18 17:53 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-18 16:34 ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-19 12:59 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-19 13:06 ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-19 13:28 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-19 13:37 ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-20 12:38 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-20 17:31 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-20 18:50 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-26 4:00 ` Peter Richtmyer
2004-01-26 5:01 ` tmoran
2004-01-26 12:01 ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-01 15:09 ` Mark
2004-02-01 19:10 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-02-02 16:48 ` Martin Krischik
2004-02-02 18:22 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-01-21 12:39 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Marin David Condic
2004-01-21 13:12 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-22 0:05 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-22 5:59 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-22 12:58 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-22 17:25 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-23 12:24 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-23 13:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-23 17:16 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-23 17:52 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-23 21:57 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-24 0:52 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-26 17:19 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 12:24 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-27 19:03 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-24 1:34 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Marin David Condic
2004-01-26 17:27 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 12:30 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24 8:20 ` Pascal Obry
2004-01-26 17:29 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-23 17:56 ` Larry Hazel
2004-01-24 1:36 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-23 22:14 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-23 22:42 ` tmoran
2004-01-26 17:50 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-26 18:54 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-26 21:53 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-27 17:30 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 20:55 ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-27 22:03 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-28 12:28 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-28 20:55 ` Simon Wright
2004-01-29 12:40 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-29 18:08 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-30 12:30 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-29 20:45 ` Simon Wright
2004-01-29 23:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-30 13:09 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-30 18:06 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-31 8:11 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-30 12:36 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-30 16:52 ` Pascal Obry
2004-01-31 8:25 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-27 21:04 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-28 12:42 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-27 12:48 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (Was: why ada is so unpopular ?) Marin David Condic
2004-01-26 9:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-26 19:23 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-23 2:47 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-23 12:38 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24 5:23 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-24 12:28 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-24 15:32 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-24 15:43 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-25 4:24 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-25 16:24 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-29 11:17 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-01-29 12:52 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-26 18:03 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-26 19:14 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-26 22:04 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 1:00 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-27 8:35 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-01-27 11:09 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-27 15:22 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-01-27 15:54 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-27 18:00 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-27 19:19 ` David Starner
2004-01-27 20:08 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-01-27 20:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-27 20:58 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-27 22:13 ` Simon Wright
2004-01-27 23:04 ` David Starner
2004-01-28 1:41 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-28 2:26 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-28 2:50 ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-28 3:21 ` Jeff C,
2004-01-28 3:57 ` David Starner
2004-01-29 3:03 ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-29 7:20 ` David Starner
2004-01-29 11:14 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-29 18:56 ` David Starner
2004-01-29 19:41 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-29 12:57 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-29 13:51 ` Preben Randhol
2004-01-30 2:46 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-28 20:34 ` Michael Bode
2004-01-29 3:06 ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-28 12:50 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-27 20:44 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-27 22:15 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-29 17:31 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor (conclusions) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-01-29 19:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
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2004-01-30 13:29 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2004-01-30 13:53 ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-30 14:14 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2004-01-27 19:11 ` Standard Ada Preprocessor Jeffrey Carter
2004-01-27 21:48 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
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2004-01-30 18:49 ` Nature of XML Georg Bauhaus
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