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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Intervention needed?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 16:29:27 -0500
Date: 2019-04-01T16:29:27-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <q7tvrn$oci$1@franka.jacob-sparre.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87va01gv3t.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de

"Florian Weimer" <fw@deneb.enyo.de> wrote in message 
news:87va01gv3t.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de...
...
>> Personally, I don't think it is possible to meet the goals for efficiency
>> without aliasing -- one would have to eliminate things like by-reference
>> parameter passing and techniques like lookup indexes to avoid aliasing.
>
> It might be sufficient to check for aliasing when passing parameters
> and raise Program_Error.

??? The parameter itself is the problem. Any call would have to raise 
Program_Error in such a case.

The only way to make such a check that wouldn't trigger all of the time 
would require looking at both the body and the call at the same time -- a 
complete abandonment of privacy and separation of concerns.

The problem in your example is the object with mutable discriminants. As 
soon as those exist, it's very difficult to prevent such problems. The 
"obvious" solution is to ban such types, or ban (as is done for renames) 
passing any such components as parameters. Neither would be remotely 
compatible or possible for Ada.

In any case, I don't see discriminant-dependent components as having 
anything to do with violating the type model. You seem to expect more out of 
the type model than I do! This is just one of many ways to cause erroneous 
execution in Ada. A "perfect" language would have no such ways, but those 
are allowed in Ada as a compromise between perfect checking and performance.

                                                   Randy.


  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-01 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-08 16:43 Intervention needed? Olivier Henley
2019-03-08 16:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-03-08 17:31 ` gautier_niouzes
2019-03-11 14:31   ` antispam
2019-03-11 15:07     ` gautier_niouzes
2019-03-11 17:19     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-03-11 15:34 ` Lucretia
2019-03-11 17:30   ` Simon Wright
2019-03-11 17:42     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-03-11 18:14       ` AdaMagica
2019-03-11 19:52   ` Olivier Henley
2019-03-11 20:04     ` Lucretia
2019-03-11 22:08   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2019-03-12  2:04     ` Lucretia
2019-03-12 13:17       ` Olivier Henley
2019-03-12 16:32       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2019-03-12 16:56         ` Lucretia
2019-03-12 17:20           ` Lucretia
2019-03-12 18:14         ` Olivier Henley
2019-03-12 19:21           ` Lucretia
2019-03-12 21:53             ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-13 10:50               ` Jere
2019-03-17 12:52               ` Optikos
2019-03-17 16:37                 ` Luke A. Guest
2019-03-17 16:48                 ` Paul Rubin
2019-03-20  0:49                   ` Optikos
2019-03-20  1:04                     ` Paul Rubin
2019-03-20  1:19                       ` Optikos
2019-03-18 23:36                 ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-19  2:18                   ` Optikos
2019-03-19  8:44                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-03-19  9:53                       ` Optikos
2019-03-19 22:13                         ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-19 22:26                           ` Paul Rubin
2019-03-20  1:08                             ` Jere
2019-03-22  2:26                               ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-23 15:56                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2019-03-23 21:38                                   ` Paul Rubin
2019-03-19 22:36                           ` Optikos
2019-03-19 23:13                             ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-20  1:28                               ` Jere
2019-03-20  8:42                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-03-22  2:00                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-22 11:10                                   ` Jere
2019-03-23  8:03                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-23 21:32                                       ` Jere
2019-03-20  7:59                               ` Optikos
2019-03-22  2:16                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-22  8:38                                   ` Optikos
2019-03-22 10:54                                     ` Jere
2019-03-23  7:53                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-23 13:59                                         ` Jere
2019-03-23 21:19                                           ` Jere
2019-03-23 21:29                                             ` Paul Rubin
2019-03-26  8:09                                           ` Optikos
2019-03-20  1:20                           ` Jere
2019-03-22  2:30                             ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-22  9:08                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-03-22 22:23                                 ` Optikos
2019-03-27 19:20                                   ` G. B.
2019-03-27 21:02                                     ` Paul Rubin
2019-03-28  7:01                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2019-03-28  7:17                                         ` Paul Rubin
2019-03-28  8:39                                           ` Simon Wright
2019-03-30  4:31                                             ` Paul Rubin
2019-03-30 22:14                                           ` Robert A Duff
2019-03-30 22:55                                             ` Paul Rubin
2019-03-28  9:06                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-03-28 20:48                                           ` G. B.
2019-03-29  5:13                                             ` Bojan Bozovic
2019-03-29  8:13                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-03-29  6:57                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2019-03-29  7:13                                             ` Paul Rubin
2019-03-29  8:39                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-04-01 15:13                                               ` Optikos
2019-04-01 16:51                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-04-01 21:42                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2019-04-02  8:30                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-04-02 15:53                                                       ` Anh Vo
2019-03-19 22:04                       ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-19 22:22                         ` Paul Rubin
2019-03-19 23:01                           ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-19  9:37                     ` Optikos
2019-03-19 22:21                       ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-29 17:56                   ` Florian Weimer
2019-03-29 22:17                     ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-29 22:35                       ` Florian Weimer
2019-04-01 21:17                         ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-29 17:41               ` Florian Weimer
2019-03-29 22:16                 ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-29 22:43                   ` Florian Weimer
2019-04-01 21:29                     ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2019-04-01 22:14                       ` Simon Wright
2019-04-02 21:55                         ` Randy Brukardt
2019-04-04 15:07                           ` Simon Wright
2019-03-12 21:41         ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-13  9:10     ` Maciej Sobczak
2019-03-13 11:08       ` Jere
2019-03-13 11:11         ` Jere
2019-03-13 11:59         ` Jere
2019-03-13 13:44       ` Olivier Henley
2019-03-13 15:56         ` Simon Wright
2019-03-13 16:25           ` Olivier Henley
2019-03-14  0:40             ` Simon Wright
2019-03-13 16:27           ` Olivier Henley
2019-03-14 22:41         ` Randy Brukardt
2019-03-16 21:30           ` Olivier Henley
2019-03-29 17:38     ` Florian Weimer
2019-03-13 13:23 ` Olivier Henley
2019-03-22 11:10 ` Lucretia
2019-03-22 14:09   ` J-P. Rosen
2019-03-22 16:41   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2019-03-22 17:29     ` Paul Rubin
2019-03-22 22:36       ` Optikos
2019-04-01  7:28 ` gautier_niouzes
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-03-25 19:14 Randy Brukardt
2019-03-25 20:44 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-03-28  0:48 ` Jere
2019-04-02 22:07 Randy Brukardt
2019-04-03  7:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-04-03 14:31   ` Optikos
2019-04-03 14:54     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-04-03 15:29       ` Optikos
2019-04-03 16:16       ` Simon Wright
2019-04-03 17:15         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-04-03 21:12           ` Simon Wright
2019-04-04  7:09             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-04-04  5:44           ` Maciej Sobczak
2019-04-04  7:17             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-04-04  7:22             ` Paul Rubin
2019-04-04  8:37               ` Niklas Holsti
2019-04-05  0:13                 ` Randy Brukardt
2019-04-05  5:45                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2019-04-05 15:17                   ` Optikos
2019-04-06  1:38                     ` Jere
2019-04-06  4:25                       ` alby.gamper
2019-04-06  6:49                         ` Jere
2019-04-06  8:24                           ` alby.gamper
2019-04-04 12:28             ` Simon Wright
2019-04-04 16:17           ` Optikos
2019-04-03 15:07 ` Lucretia
2019-04-03 16:15   ` Simon Wright
2019-04-03 17:23 ` Niklas Holsti
2019-04-03 17:48   ` Bill Findlay
2019-04-03 21:01   ` Simon Wright
2019-04-03 18:58 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
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