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From: "Jeffrey R. Carter" <spam.jrcarter.not@spam.not.acm.org>
Subject: Re: class wide iterable (and indexable)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2019 11:11:26 +0100
Date: 2019-01-06T11:11:26+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <q0sk8g$54n$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f68dac39-49eb-4f10-849e-1e644263208c@googlegroups.com>

On 1/5/19 10:09 PM, Shark8 wrote:
> 
> Hm, I'm not sure I agree with you -- plug-ins seem to be a counter-example in that they *are* extensions [of the base program] -- it seems a bit excessive to think that any program that uses/handles plug-ins is ill-designed and by-nature violative of good SW engineering.

I don't think plug-ins qualify as programming by extension, since they don't 
involve extending an existing type (I'm not very familiar with how plug-ins are 
written for things that allow them, so I may be mistaken).

But I'm not sure that allowing plug-ins is good S/W eng. The goals of S/W eng 
are S/W that is correct, reliable, robust, and easy to understand and modify. 
How do you ensure that if you allow any coder to write a plug-in?

> Of course this is an interesting observation in its own right, and I should like to hear more.

My observations about programming by extension are in the /Ada Letters/ articles 
"Ada's Design Goals and Object-Oriented Programming", "Breaking the Ada Privacy 
Act", and "OOP vs. Readability", available at

http://pragmada.x10hosting.com/papers.html

These are over 20 years old. The 1st and last deal with type extension and the 
2nd with child pkgs that extend their ancestor(s). The type-extension examples I 
cite do not use child pkgs, perhaps because both were new concepts in Ada and 
the authors did not want to confuse readers with an extra new concept, but I 
don't think revising them to use child pkgs would change anything.

-- 
Jeff Carter
"Now look, Col. Batguano, if that really is your name."
Dr. Strangelove
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  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-06 10:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-02 15:48 class wide iterable (and indexable) George Shapovalov
2019-01-02 17:39 ` Simon Wright
2019-01-02 18:11   ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-03  8:52     ` Simon Wright
2019-01-03  9:30       ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-03 16:45         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2019-01-04  4:32       ` Shark8
2019-01-05  9:03         ` Randy Brukardt
2019-01-03 22:56     ` Randy Brukardt
2019-01-04  0:00       ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-04  8:43         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-04 12:20           ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-05 23:29             ` Jere
2019-01-05 23:50               ` Jere
2019-01-06  9:34                 ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-06 10:19                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-06 11:30                     ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-06 12:45                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-06 13:18                         ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-06 14:13                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-06 16:33                             ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-06 18:29                               ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-06 20:32                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-06 21:47                                   ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-07  9:37                                     ` Niklas Holsti
2019-01-07 16:24                                       ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-06 20:18                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-06 21:58                                 ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-07  8:28                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-05  9:21           ` Randy Brukardt
2019-01-05 10:07             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-05 18:17               ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-05 20:07                 ` Simon Wright
2019-01-05 20:41                   ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-07 21:07               ` Randy Brukardt
2019-01-08  9:51                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-08 19:25                   ` Björn Lundin
2019-01-08 23:26                   ` Randy Brukardt
2019-01-09 17:06                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-09 23:38                       ` Randy Brukardt
2019-01-10  8:53                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-10 22:14                           ` Randy Brukardt
2019-01-11  9:09                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-14 22:59                               ` Randy Brukardt
2019-01-15  9:34                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-18 15:48                                   ` Olivier Henley
2019-01-18 16:08                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-18 16:29                                       ` Olivier Henley
2019-01-18 16:54                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-18 17:31                                           ` Olivier Henley
2019-01-18 18:51                                             ` Shark8
2019-01-18 20:09                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-21 23:15                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2019-01-22  8:56                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-22 22:00                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2019-01-23  8:14                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-22 17:04                                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2019-01-22 22:02                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2019-01-23 18:00                                           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2019-01-23 20:14                                           ` Shark8
2019-01-23 22:47                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2019-01-24 17:11                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-28 15:54                                               ` Shark8
2019-01-28 17:23                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-08 18:32                 ` G. B.
2019-01-05 17:05             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2019-01-05 20:18               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-05 21:09               ` Shark8
2019-01-06 10:11                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter [this message]
2019-01-05 20:46             ` Shark8
2019-01-06  9:43               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2019-01-26 22:11 ` George Shapovalov
2019-01-26 22:14   ` George Shapovalov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-01-29  7:45 Randy Brukardt
2019-01-29 19:34 ` Niklas Holsti
2019-01-29 20:26   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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