From: Hubert <herrdoktor@fumanchu.com>
Subject: Re: GNAT GPL is not shareware
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 17:59:46 -0800
Date: 2015-01-06T17:59:46-08:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <pq0rw.976861$JH1.101473@fx08.iad> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bb1b27f1-bd3f-4a36-b5c6-e9487d1cb67a@googlegroups.com>
I should maybe say that I am one of these people who are looking into
Ada. The reason is that I realize that the language has much more to
offer than C++ and it seems programs are more stable due to the lack of
pointer juggling.
However, I am reluctant to commit more than some spare time to it and
writing more than some stand alone tools because from my point it has an
uncertain future.
Should Adacore ever break down then there would be no more development
that's worth mentioning. Of course there is still a big userbase in
Aviation and Space industry but I read that there are movements away
from Ada so that is not encouraging either.
And I guess many people in my situation feel the same. They look at Ada
and say, well it looks good in theory but what are the long term chances
for it. Realistically, as a programmer, you have to focus on one
language. It is hard enough for me to stay ontop of C++ and I can't say
that I know more than 75% of the language, even though I make a living
working with it.
Today's languages are horribly complex. Which is a reason that I decided
for my Ada experiment that I would stay away from OOP because when I
read questions about Ada that just make my head smoke and think: how can
any human being understand that problem really, then it is always about
OOP. OOP is an abomination in my mind, but that's an entirely different
subject.
I am afraid, unless there is an Ada solution that would make small
companies feel secure when they commit a significant amount of time and
money, they will never do that. Simply because it's an either or
situation with Adacore.
And yes, you can use the FSF version, but like I said earlier, if
everybody did that, how would Adacore make money and continue to support
the compiler? If I use a compiler, I want to make sure the company I buy
it from will be there in 10 years and in my mind I do that by paying
them money.
Unless more people try out Ada, there will be no growth in the userbase.
But it's an emotional thing as well, like I said. I want to feel secure
about the company who's tools I use.
I really wish Adacore would offer a license for small businesses that
was more affordable. I think that would lure more people in than a
completely free version.
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2015-01-04 21:27 ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-04 22:13 ` David Botton
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2015-01-05 2:28 ` David Botton
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2015-01-05 11:38 ` David Botton
2015-01-05 12:02 ` GNAT GPL is not shareware Mark Carroll
2015-01-05 13:26 ` David Botton
2015-01-06 0:39 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-01-06 0:48 ` Hubert
2015-01-06 0:54 ` David Botton
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2015-01-07 23:36 ` Randy Brukardt
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2015-01-08 5:17 ` David Botton
2015-01-08 8:52 ` Simon Wright
2015-01-08 11:36 ` gnatmake to lose support for project files, gprbuild instead Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-09 2:05 ` GNAT GPL is not shareware Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 2:40 ` Paul Rubin
2015-01-09 3:42 ` David Botton
2015-01-09 6:50 ` Paul Rubin
2015-01-09 17:17 ` Mark Carroll
2015-01-09 20:08 ` David Botton
2015-01-10 12:53 ` Brian Drummond
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2015-01-09 3:40 ` David Botton
2015-01-09 9:25 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
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2015-01-09 21:58 GNAT GPL is not shareware Randy Brukardt
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