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From: Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: signature like constructions
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:54:49 +0200
Date: 2003-08-11T11:54:49+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <pfoejvc792kp6dg7heto01gplp8k3tb6u7@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: e2e5731a.0308081544.7d558e3e@posting.google.com

On 8 Aug 2003 16:44:04 -0700, aek@vib.usr.pu.ru (Alexander
Kopilovitch) wrote:

>Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>
>> This is a question of balance between understanding of the problem and
>> understanding of the software tools used to solve it. From the dawn of
>> computers to present day, the first component prevailed,
>
>And certainly will always prevail. Essentially, by definition: if the software
>world becomes more significant than traditional real world -:) then there will
>be just new class of the problems - concerning the software world, and no more
>than that. So we'll still look at the problems at first.

OK, but those problems are not ones we presently count for real.

>> allowing to implement "everything [problem] in anything [language]".
>
>No, this is too inexact statement: even 3 decades ago it was not possible
>to implement real-time control program in RPG language. So, not in "anything",
>but in "any universal language" - and with this more precise wording the
>statement becomes trivially true.

What we count for "universal" is changing, depending on which problems
are of "universal" concern.

I give you a funny example. One student was unable to tell me how to
calculate a distance between two points in cartesian co-ordinates! He
naturally knew nothing about Euclidean distance, space etc. Now the
most amazing thing. This student had successfuly modified a
3D-simulation program in OpenGL! (:-))

It is a catastrophe, would you say. Yes, but it is also a triumph of
software developing tools. Let me foretell that new generations of
programmes will even know nothing about arithmetics! (:-))

>> But in a long-term perspective, I am talking about 20-100 years,
>
>20 years ago no one can predict our current power of computing technology and
>its presence everywhere in just 2000. Given that the explosion still continues,
>how can you guess about 20 and even 100 future years?

I can guess the plume of that explosion ...

>> the balance
>> will definitely change, otherwise we will be unable to maintain the
>> complexity of software [not the algorithms, note].
>
>What we will unable to maintain will certainly crash. And we will not make
>such too complex software any more (after several attempts with sound failures).

This will stop nobody. There are much worse things people are doing,
being well aware of the consequences.

>That's simple. Just the same reasons as for not to build a 100km-high tower.

That tower is already built. Its name is internet! (:-))

>> It will be a
>> virtual reality with its own virtual problems, if you wish. (:-))
>
>Well, virtual reality is not so big challenge actually. Even nanotechnologies
>constitute substantially bigger challenge, because they may easily ruin much
>more our "axioms of impossible", which may appear vital for our implicit logic.

---
Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov
www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2003-08-11  9:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-30 11:32 XML DOM Binding for Ada 95 - matter of style DENNY VRANDECIC
2003-07-30 12:33 ` Martin Dowie
2003-07-30 15:20   ` Denny Vrandecic
2003-07-30 16:33     ` Stephen Leake
2003-07-31 10:57       ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-31 11:27         ` Preben Randhol
2003-07-31 13:10           ` Matthew Heaney
2003-07-31 19:04             ` Simon Wright
2003-08-02 14:40               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-07-31 20:25             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-08-01 11:46           ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-02  3:40             ` Matthew Heaney
2003-08-02 12:08               ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-02 14:46                 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-08-02 21:25                   ` Ed Falis
2003-08-05 19:59                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-03 16:42                 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-08-04  8:04                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-05  8:00                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-05 11:46                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-05 13:34                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-06  9:03                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-06 18:15                             ` signature like constructions (was: Re: XML DOM Binding for Ada 95 - matter of style) Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-07 10:12                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-07 16:22                                 ` signature like constructions Georg Bauhaus
2003-08-08  8:31                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-08 10:12                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-08 13:29                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-08 19:37                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-09  0:58                                           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-09  7:39                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-10  1:30                                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-10  4:11                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-11 10:25                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-08 23:44                                         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-11  9:54                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2003-08-11 14:59                                             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-12  9:54                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-13 22:28                                                 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-09  8:32                                       ` Simon Wright
2003-08-09 15:32                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-07 12:52                             ` XML DOM Binding for Ada 95 - matter of style Matthew Heaney
2003-08-07 15:03                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-07 12:28                           ` Matthew Heaney
2003-08-05 20:05                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-30 16:34     ` Martin Dowie
2003-07-30 17:54 ` tmoran
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