From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: about inheritance of subtypes and entities (such as constants) related to a type in the same package
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 09:56:54 +0200
Date: 2018-06-01T09:56:54+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <pequ85$1oja$1@gioia.aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 37019e2f-b374-483a-aa62-4a76dcc568f6@googlegroups.com
On 2018-05-31 11:10 PM, Dan'l Miller wrote:
> On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 2:59:48 PM UTC-5, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>> On 2018-05-31 20:53, Dan'l Miller wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 12:37:07 PM UTC-5, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>>>> On 2018-05-31 04:29 PM, Dan'l Miller wrote:
>>>>> Conversely, subtyping in Ada does none of that type-extension stuff: no
>>>>> additional data/cardinality-of-the-members-of-the-set, no additional
>>>> > routines/behavior, no arbitrary refinement of behavior of overridden/copied
>>>>> routines/operations. Instead, subtyping in Ada is strictly subjecting the
>>>>> parent type to an additional membership-narrowing predicate, such as subset
>>>> > in set theory. Randy likewise spoke of membership on other branches of this
>>>> > thread.
>>>>
>>>> Untrue. Ada 83 subtyping extends the supertype (base type), because it
>>>> exports operations defined on the subtype to the base type. Ada 83
>>>> subtyping introduces an equivalent type, which is both sub- and
>>>> supertype of the base.
>>>
>>> If Ada83 untagged subtyping is type extension, please provide even a single characteristic that was extended/added/supplemented instead of contracted/subtracted/elided by the predicate.
>>
>> Elementary:
>>
>> subtype Extension is Integer;
>> procedure Extended_Operation (X : Extension) is null;
>> X : Integer;
>> Y : Extension;
>> begin
>> Extended_Operation (X); -- See #1
>> Extended_Operation (Y); -- See #2
>
> There is exactly one procedure Extended_Operation, which despite its cleverly-deceptive name is not a demonstration of type extension: We start with having a single procedure that takes X as a parameter and that is precisely where we end: no new procedure for Y, no additional storage for Y beyond Y's Xness, no new outcome in the execution of that procedure when passed a Y (except enforcement of the [unfortunately-missing] predicate as a post-condition).
Interface was extended. Implementation details as to how many bodies
there will be used are irrelevant.
> Or in fewer words: nothing about Y is X-plus-more. There is no "more" there.
> (not even a predicate to enforce, which would have made this example a tad juicier).
>
>> The subtype Extension extends Integer with Extended_Operation, which has
>> two separate meanings:
>>
>> 1. The base type Integer has now a new operation:
>>
>> new Integer interface = old Integer interface + Extended_Operation
>>
>> 2. The subtype Extension extends inherited Integer's set of operations:
>>
>> Extended interface = old Integer interface + Extended_Operation
>
> Invoking the same subprogram
Same to what? The interface of Integer as defined by the standard does
not have Extended_Operation. How is it same?
> Y merely copied some characteristics (but not others, depending on the would-be predicate) from a prior exemplar named X.
You seems confuse:
1. a type with a set of values. Type = set of values + operations.
Extension of a type, logically, is about adding something to any of these.
2. an extension of a type with a tagged record extension. A record
extension is an extension but the reverse is wrong.
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2018-05-26 16:14 about inheritance of subtypes and entities (such as constants) related to a type in the same package Mehdi Saada
2018-05-26 16:44 ` Mehdi Saada
2018-05-29 22:07 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-29 22:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-30 8:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-05-30 19:25 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-30 19:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-05-30 19:59 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-31 8:44 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-05-31 22:48 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-31 23:39 ` Mehdi Saada
2018-06-01 2:50 ` Shark8
2018-06-01 7:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-05-30 20:53 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-31 8:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-05-31 14:29 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-31 14:38 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-31 17:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-05-31 18:53 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-31 19:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-05-31 21:10 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-01 7:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2018-06-01 14:01 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-01 15:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-05-31 22:45 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-31 23:50 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-01 7:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-05-31 22:34 ` Randy Brukardt
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