From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: AI12-0218: What is the portable representation clause for processing IETF packets on little-endian machines?
Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 11:40:23 +0200
Date: 2018-05-11T11:40:23+02:00 [thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: 2821b8e0-2c64-4621-b65e-337027fc121e@googlegroups.com
On 10/05/2018 22:06, Dan'l Miller wrote:
> LoL!! Oh, do tell why a representation clause on an IETF packet's header layout is “useless”.
Because the language of representation clauses is too weak to handle
layouts. One could design and integrate a full blown data-definition
language (with conditional and looping constructs) into Ada but that
would be a gigantic waste of time. It just does not make sense. The
result of this are data types one cannot use effectively. To name a few
examples from real life:
1. Integer types with reserved bit-patterns for exceptional states. E.g.
16#FFFF#, 16#FFFE#, 16#FFFD# are not numbers but states of the hardware.
2. Non-contiguous integers. E.g. low-order 16 bits in one word,
high-order 8 bits in a word two words ahead.
3. Middle-endian numbers.
4. Non-2's complement signed integer numbers
Therefore the programmer must copy them into machine-friendly Ada native
types anyway. It is simpler to do this right while encoding/decoding the
packet.
Then there is error handling and sanity checks issues which
representation clauses do not do. So the programmer will get some
rubbish in the memory *already* interpreted as a valid value of Ada
type. Read - the type system breach. He must then re-check everything
inside by re-scanning the I/O buffer one more time, because X'Valid is
no help here.
Furthermore, representation clauses require complete packet or its parts
read into the buffer or written away. Communication, e.g. asynchronous
I/O just does not work this way. The application must deal with data
chunks of almost arbitrary length. Representation clauses would require
additional assembling/disassembling of data into chunks and thus extra
copying.
Ergo. It works for a few cases on paper. In real life it is simpler,
faster, safer and cleaner not to use representation clauses at all.
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2018-05-10 17:45 AI12-0218: What is the portable representation clause for processing IETF packets on little-endian machines? Dan'l Miller
2018-05-10 19:24 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-10 20:32 ` Paul Rubin
2018-05-10 22:24 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-10 22:44 ` Niklas Holsti
2018-05-10 23:14 ` Paul Rubin
2018-05-11 2:38 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-11 7:55 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-11 12:11 ` Lucretia
2018-05-11 13:49 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-11 16:11 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-05-11 16:48 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-11 19:08 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-05-11 21:39 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-11 21:56 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-05-12 7:08 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-12 7:53 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-05-14 22:43 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-11 13:46 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-11 22:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-12 10:33 ` Björn Lundin
2018-05-12 13:08 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-12 14:21 ` Björn Lundin
2018-05-10 23:07 ` Paul Rubin
2018-05-11 0:14 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-11 0:30 ` Paul Rubin
2018-05-11 0:50 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-11 1:34 ` Paul Rubin
2018-05-11 2:11 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-11 22:32 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-11 8:02 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-11 22:14 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-10 19:28 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-10 22:40 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-10 22:50 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-11 22:00 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-12 1:15 ` Paul Rubin
2018-05-14 22:54 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-15 0:43 ` Paul Rubin
2018-05-15 21:39 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-15 0:44 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-05-11 8:09 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-10 19:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-05-10 20:06 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-10 22:44 ` Paul Rubin
2018-05-10 22:50 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-11 9:40 ` Niklas Holsti
2018-05-11 11:40 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-11 20:16 ` Niklas Holsti
2018-05-11 9:40 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2018-05-11 14:21 ` AdaMagica
2018-05-26 16:15 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-26 19:02 ` AdaMagica
2018-05-26 21:01 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-27 14:58 ` AdaMagica
2018-05-27 18:03 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-29 22:17 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-30 6:39 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-30 7:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-05-30 15:01 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-30 15:59 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-30 19:38 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-27 18:04 ` Dan'l Miller
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